Fuelly tracking electrical charges
 

I log in all my charges to my e-hybrid car by using Charge Point. I am looking for a mileage app the includes my gas and electric charges - Fuelly isn't doing that.

Anyone have a better app for Hybrid Electric cars?

With the vast ever increasing market of electric, hybrid and plug in cars available now, I'm sure fuelly is adapting with the times and working on just such a model. Work in progress for now ;)

Sure.
 

Why is this taking so long? I asked about this in September 2014 - there was plenty of chatter about it even then. Why don't they put in a way to log in and post the electrical charges? This is a choice that Fuelly is making about what to support.

I get a great spreadsheet from ChargePoint and have all my charges there. Fuelly can't find a way for me to manually input that data? Meanwhile, I have a spreadsheet and combine my fuels in Excel. Silly app.

I understand your frustration, but the best thing to do is to do as you are doing and keep your own records, then once fuelly has been updated and is ready for the kind of data you want to track, just import it. I'm sure a team member will be able to give you a better answer, sorry I can't help further.

Fuelly needs to update
 

I would rather support a different app who had the foresight to include electrical. Why wait for them to discover that there are many electrical cars?
I don't have the patience for their choices.

It's pretty simple in theory to just add a feature/function.
Backend work to support that feature/function is a little more intensive.

We are focusing our efforts at the moment on our mobile app integration and then we can tackle the growing list of new features we want to implement.

This thread is so old I had to check a box to say that I'm still interested in commenting. I just bought an electric car in July 2016 and Fuelly still doesn't have a fuel choice for kilowatt-hours. My car tracks everything in miles/kWh already. I'm already using Fuelly to track my fuel-ups by just inputting kWh into the "gallons" field, and the result is fuelly's MPG field telling me mi/kWh instead.

I'm a software engineer by trade and so I do understand that rolling out new features is more difficult than it appears on the surface, but I'm a bit surprised that 5 years or so after the entries in the FAQ about fuel needing to be liquid pumped into a tank, there's no option to change the fuel units from liters or gallons to kilowatt-hours.

With our small team, we're still focusing all our efforts on our mobile apps.
Then we can work to support various fuel types and tracking types (electricity, g/hr, bi-fuel, etc).

I understand, just saying that the following changes would be enough to make me happy:
- add "kilowatt-hours" as a fuel unit
- if kWh is selected, then display "mi/kWh" instead of "MPG"

That's it.

It should be relatively easy to integrate Fuelly with OpenEVSE chargers. They are capable of reporting the charging statistics.

This would be a great addition. I have a ChargePoint charger at home, but it isn't always charge point when I travel. Ideally, the data would come from the vehicle website (in my case, Fusion Energi)

Right now, I am just dumping Fuelly and ChargePoint to a spreadsheet to combine. I don't count free electric charges. I am really only concerned with total cost of ownership so that when it comes time for me to chose my next vehicle, I can decide between hybrid and plug in hybrid.

Any progress on the implementation of electricity as fuel?

Need for charging data
 

I know many think electrification is a long way off but my family now has one hybrid (Volt) and one EV (Bolt) and we would love to see this energy source included in ACar. I have been a loyal use for years and the support for this new type of car would be great. There are a few apps out there that have charge station data but ACar/Fuelly could be years ahead of any competition by adding this now

Any update to this?
It’s now 2018, time to grow up....

So another 15 months later and I am researching PHEV while there is still a tax credit available. Is there going to be a way to combine and track both the plugged in electric usage and gasoline usage?

Just visiting and found this thread. My current thinking is to scale the numbers of the 'fraction' fits in the 'integer' MPG value. Two approaches:

• 10*miles - this will bring mileage into the typical 40 MPG range for many EVs.
• 0.1 * kWh - achives the same effect of scaling to ordinary MPG values.

In a perfect world, the energy content of a kWh in gasoline gallons would be used, 33.70 kWh per gallon. But such calculations should be done in the application and not require the user to handle the conversion factor. Using a factor of 10 will be off by a factor of 3.37 but at least giving values in a range consistent with the middle range of ordinary gas cars. For example, my Standard Range Plus Model 3 is rated at 25 kWh per 100 miles, 4.0 mi/kWh.

• 10 scale factor -> 40.0 MPGe
• 33.7 scale factor -> 134.0 MPGe

I would prefer an accurate metric, using 33.7, but a factor of 10 at least brings it into the realm of understandable by ordinary folks.

Bob Wilson

Ok, another 3 years down the road. What is the status on this? I'm looking at a new Leaf EV. I went to the add a vehicle screen and the Leaf is in there but the only choices are to fill in gallons or liters. Does anyone know of a good app similar to Fuelly that works with EV's? I don't want to change but if I get that car I will be forced to it seems.

I'm not aware of any apps or websites that would track electricity usage. I do know that some electric car chargers have apps where you can monitor everything about your electric car, but it's something you would have to install at home and wouldn't track charging at public stations.

It's just as easy to track as regular fuel, it tells you how many kw you put in the batter, and the cost per charge, it should be easy to implement it into an app like fuelly.

Talking of charging, has anyone seen the price of electrons at Tesla superchargers now? 61 pence per KW...that means £60 to charge an S with a 100 KWH battery, or $75 US dollars. Ouch...

That's expensive. I owned the Volt for a little more than a year and never charged it at a public charger; and for my next full electric car I will get one with a long enough range so that I never have to charge it at a public station. I would need a range about 375 miles to accomplish that.

Also, I haven't been using my 240V charger yet either; it's better for the battery the slower you charge them. Plugging it in the wall with 120V has been enough. You can choose if you want to use 8A it will take 18 hours or 12A which takes 13 hours. I'm able to use the battery 85% of the time which has a 50 mile range.

How much would the gas cost for a comparable ICE car?

Chevrolet just announced a $6k price reduction on the Bolt. It has a few significant pluses in comparison and is now affordable. I'm looking at those instead. I've barely learned anything so far, and a little uncertain on what I have learned, but I think a wild average guess is 4 miles / kwh so in theory that would be $75 for 400 miles. I'm not up enough on EU fuel prices, consumption etc. so I'll leave it to you guys over there to do the ciphering and come up with a gas cost for 400 miles.

A similar sized diesel would be cheaper per mile in fuel (15p per mile Vs Tesla's 20p per mile estimate) but then that's just using the superchargers, there are many other chargers at half, if not a third of that price. Plus the diesel wouldn't have the performance of the Tesla.

Worth noting that there are even higher costs per KW/h, ionity for example charge 69 ppkwh, meaning it would cost $87 to charge a large battery EV for 280 miles of range. Not sure how that compares to running a gas gussler over there.

The difference in price to charge still varies vastly, whereas refuelling with fossil fuels only has a few pence difference in prices.

And that is just yesterday to today!

In the before times, Supercharger costs would be comparable to using premium gas in a performance oriented car. Superchargers are the cheapest fast DC charging network in most cases. Not having much luck finding Tesla's current rates; it varies by state, and even within one. In some locals, only an electric utility can directly charge for a kWh, so EV chargers have to go by the minute, which makes direct comparisons a little difficult.

Most people only use these fast chargers on longer trips though. Slower charging at home is much cheaper. Some EVs may never see a public charger.

It may only be the superchargers that have been allocated for charging any car, Tesla decided the 15 least used charging stations, one of which is local to me just 36 miles away, should be open to all makes of car due to lack of use. Maybe they bumped the prices up to profit from this idea? But like you say, most people just top up here, and use thier own electricity or charge at work.

We have some locations that are no charge for recharging, pun intended. The mall about 1.5 miles from my home has about 10 free charging points scattered about. I'm sure they figure enough people will go in and shop or eat at one of the restaurants to more than pay the cost. Being a huge consumer I don't know what sort of special plan they may have. Our just another in the million homes scattered about Houston rate is about 13c/kWH compared to I think they say about 40c average at charging stations.

The local grocery store just got a couple of 'free' chargers installed. The name of the network eludes me at the moment, but the units of big screens. So ads help pay for it.

You have to sign up with the network, and they do charge once you go over a kWh limit, or remain parked for too long. Mostly it seems to be to discourage abuse. They do have DC chargers in the network, but 50kW only.

I am seriously considering the new Vauxhall Astra Plug-in Hybrid.
It will do about 40 miles in EV mode, double what I would need for 90% of my mileage.
I can charge it in my drive (the charger can be added to the overall finance package).
It has an eight-year battery warranty (if I last another eight years I will be delighted).

Based on the new 308, which in opinion is a far better looking car especially the interior, but probably costs a premium because it's more desirable. I too would suit a plug in, as 90% of my journeys are short urban trips, I just hate the fact that on longer journey's you get bad fuel economy with dead batteries as you're lugging all that weight around, and the handling of these cars is questionable due to so much weight in the rear of the car. Other than that, I quite fancy one. Sadly the quickest 308 has 225 bhp, my petrol head won't let me pay thousands more for a car with less power unfortunately.

You do not lug dead batteries around. The car performs like any other hybrid with the batteries regenning as you drive increasing the performance. The weight gives almost 50:50 weight distribution and an exceptionally low centre of gravity making the handling very good for a saloon.

The Prius Prime/PHV gets better fuel economy than the plain Prius once the grid charge is used up, despite the couple hundred pounds of extra weight. The bigger battery lets it hybrid better.

Put the kwh value in for gallons. That will give you MPKwh. It'll say mpg, but you'll know it's kwh instead of g. My RV has a hour meter on the generator, so I put that in the miles field, turns out the generator burns about 1 gallon propane per hour

You only get tiny gains from regen though, if you request the car to charge the battery whilst driving, it uses even more fuel to do just that. My friend hired an Outlander plug in, once the battery was dead, he was getting 19 MPG. I do still like the idea, they suit alot of people, I think if I had one, the ICE would only kick in 10 times a year if that, as the majority of my journeys could be done on the battery alone.

I plan to use the one pedal system and see how much gain I can manage. My goal is 5mi/kWH. Time will tell. Now if Fuelly will finally give us EV tracking or if I can find an alternate app to do it.

I do my mileage on a spreadsheet. I did it long before I found Fuelly and I still do it now.

I've sold my car to Carvana. They pick it up Thursday morning. I'm chasing a few "suspects" looking for an acceptable car and price. And now I need to start hunting for the app to track it with too.

Good luck with the search. If it's economy you're after, Model 3's are pretty energy efficient, but if those are out your price range, EVs from the likes of Kia/Hyundai are also pretty good, although your 5 M/KWH target might be a bit optimistic, most EVs average 3-4. At highway speeds you can expect even less. Some EVs get just 25% of stated range on the highway. Avoid Audi Etrons, they are heavy on the electrons.

I'm not quite ready for the EV switch myself, not until they start making electric Sports cars at an obtainable price.

Hope you get your Bolt at a good price. I see the Genesis GV60 is now available in the UK but it starts at £47,000.
And the UK government has done away with the plug-in car grant for all EVs.

I was quite keen on an i3 recently, but as they require both fossil fuel and electrical charge, the fuel cost per mile is identical to my Porsche Boxster. I can't quite get my head around that. I feel bad for all the people who recently bought an EV with fuel costs the way they are right now