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shatto 08-14-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUboi86 (Post 139711)
Have any of ya tried Pulstar plugs? They're ridiculously expensive.

One of my friends bought them at full price for his 96? Explorer... just talked to him and he said his trip computer didn't report any gain in MPG, but he noticed a lot more low-end torque.

Right now I have Bosch Platinum+2 plugs in my car. It seemed to revive it's performance some, comparable to 4 years ago... not much as far as gas mileage tho. I'm definitely satisfied with these, but am just ever-so curious about those pulstar plugs.

Edit: Also... could you somehow increase gas mileage by upgrading/changing the Ignition Coil pack?... There's "performance" ones... didn't know if there's something that'd work to save gas too.

Failed Spark Plug is the title of my thread.

Just about the time I figured out that the Tundra computer didn't adjust to things like Pulstar's, like my Dakota did, and I got around to re-setting the computer, the plug failed and my mileage test ended.

I didn't notice much....until I traded back to the stock plugs and felt the dramatic difference in performance.
However, there was no MPG improvement and I attribute that to the computer monitering exhaust gas and thinking the better combustion meant a too-lean mixture and added fuel. Had the computer been re-set, I guess the result may have been different.

Bosch+4 plugs in the Dakota made no measurable difference in MPG
BUT
I never had to change them again, because with all those grounds they take forever to wear out.

GasSavers_RoadWarrior 08-14-2009 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by shatto (Post 139752)
Bosch+4 plugs in the Dakota made no measurable difference in MPG
BUT
I never had to change them again, because with all those grounds they take forever to wear out.

Actually, I think that is what they base their claims of increased mileage on, the fact that if you're a dumbass and don't check your plugs for 100,000 miles, then theirs will be giving you better mileage than the ones that half eroded away 50,000 ago.

shatto 08-14-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RoadWarrior (Post 139757)
Actually, I think that is what they base their claims of increased mileage on, the fact that if you're a dumbass and don't check your plugs for 100,000 miles, then theirs will be giving you better mileage than the ones that half eroded away 50,000 ago.

:D

MTUboi86 08-14-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shatto (Post 139752)

Bosch+4 plugs in the Dakota made no measurable difference in MPG
BUT
I never had to change them again, because with all those grounds they take forever to wear out.


Hrm. The Bosch+4 didn't exist (I don't think?) when I bought the +2's. Then again, I bought the +2's from Walmart :thumbdown:

With my car being so "old", would my car's ECU adapt to the plugs for an improvement in mileage? Right now I have a HAI setup, and have notice no mpg gain... just a hotter-running engine, but no ill-effects, so I haven't taken it off.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadWarrior (Post 139757)
Actually, I think that is what they base their claims of increased mileage on, the fact that if you're a dumbass and don't check your plugs for 100,000 miles, then theirs will be giving you better mileage than the ones that half eroded away 50,000 ago.

lol.

Ryanrpm 08-18-2009 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shatto (Post 139752)
Failed Spark Plug is the title of my thread.

Just about the time I figured out that the Tundra computer didn't adjust to things like Pulstar's, like my Dakota did, and I got around to re-setting the computer, the plug failed and my mileage test ended.

I didn't notice much....until I traded back to the stock plugs and felt the dramatic difference in performance.
However, there was no MPG improvement and I attribute that to the computer monitering exhaust gas and thinking the better combustion meant a too-lean mixture and added fuel. Had the computer been re-set, I guess the result may have been different.

Bosch+4 plugs in the Dakota made no measurable difference in MPG
BUT
I never had to change them again, because with all those grounds they take forever to wear out.

Well, I've also got a Tundra, an '05 4.7L. What plugs did you end up using...just OEM? (NGK/Denso)

I'm curious about the Halo's.....and also about doing that drilling and indexing mod...

shatto 08-18-2009 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryanrpm (Post 140060)
Well, I've also got a Tundra, an '05 4.7L. What plugs did you end up using...just OEM? (NGK/Denso)

I'm curious about the Halo's.....and also about doing that drilling and indexing mod...

Put the factory installed plugs back in.

Over the years, and in a number of vehicles, I've tried a number of type plugs. I used Splitfire plugs before I was told that they were invented by a marketing guy, then I looked at the mileage records I've always kept. DUH! Spent a lot of money for no measurable MPG.
I have not used the fancy-schmancy plugs with holes in them, surface-gap and such, mainly because I have Dr Jacobson's manual, and if he won't use them in racing engines, it seems to me they aren't worth the expense.

But, since I drive 150 to 300 miles a day, I am certainly open to anything that will give me better mileage. Gas savings will pay for a reasonable outlay.

Ryanrpm 08-22-2009 09:08 AM

Hey everyone.....just wanted to show you my little experiment. I just used an old Autolite spark plug as a test subject. I picked up 2 cobalt 1/16" drill bits at ACE the other day. 1 has a 118 degree point, and the other has a 135 degree point. I used the 135 on this and it didn't walk one bit.

I held the plug down using a quick grip clamp against my picnic table top, and I just used a cordless drill. Crude I know........but it worked out fairly decent. The bit drilled through it really easy. I didn't get it exactly centered, but it's not too far off.

Is this what the mod is like? I didn't cup out the center electrode...but would there be any gains if I didn't......and only drilled the hole?

I still have to debur it. I plan on doing this to my existing Iridium plugs in my Tundra.
https://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2...sm_c373e64.jpg

GasSavers_RoadWarrior 08-22-2009 09:25 AM

Well you do have about twice the amount of negative electrode edge for it to fire off now. I'd be worried about it burning through on the one side there, where there's not much meat left. Then it would probably come loose and drop the rest off in your motor... Jigging it up so you could drill dead center probably wouldn't be a whole lot of help, so you could use going down to a 3/64 or 1/32 bit or finding a plug with a wider electrode.

Just figured something, lots of folks test this with old plugs... the ones that have rounded off the nose and the negative... might actually help the spark to fire through the middle only vs doing it with new plugs.

shatto 08-22-2009 09:34 AM

Keep very accurate MPG records and report back.

Ryanrpm 08-22-2009 11:00 AM

One method I figured I'd try, since I don't have a drill press, is to take my dremel, and carve an indentation right where I want my drill bit to start. That way I don't have to guess while I'm holding the drill gun. The moment I begin turning the bit, it makes a little scar because of how hard the cobalt is.....so I need to get it right the first time.

GasSavers_RoadWarrior 08-22-2009 11:09 AM

Hmmm another thing I just thunk of.. when the positive electrode is drilled, if it's a copper plug, one might get down to the copper, or a lot closer to it... now this may effectively reduce the resistance at high voltage, because I'm thinking that the core nose is part of the resistance of the plug, and if one allows the high voltage to take a route where it can move as surface charge, it miiiight be a less resistive path than if it had to go all the way through the bulk of the carbon stuff.

I'm gonna have to measure resistance to the tip and resistance to the bottom of the cavity next time I drill one to see if they are the same or not.

Edit: Gah, and now it makes sense why some people expect it to blast ions out of the cavity. I was always skeptical of that, but if the energy is passing up the sides of it as surface charge it could well make ions in whatever gas is present, which then become the path of least resistance, so the spark jumps through them, heating the gas more and expanding it, so it jets out with the spark and is pulled toward the negative.... And... that will only happen if the core nose is resistive... hmmm seems to be a case for picking your mod plugs carefully, I'm pretty sure autolite were constructed in that way, will have to check up on anything else...

GasSavers_maximilian 08-22-2009 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ryanrpm (Post 140251)
One method I figured I'd try, since I don't have a drill press, is to take my dremel, and carve an indentation right where I want my drill bit to start.

Automatic center punch helps with that: $2.99.

Ryanrpm 08-22-2009 12:18 PM

Yes!! I've thought of that tool as well.......but don't have one on hand.

Thanks for the link.

severach 08-24-2009 06:38 PM

From what I could tell on LaPointe's site a larger hole wasn't any more efficient than a smaller hole. The smaller hole lasts longer. I think your hole is too large and the plug will wear out too quick. The hole interferes with the cooling so the tip will run much hotter than it is supposed to.

Harbor Freight 94606 has the right size drills.

An automatic center punch will smash the electrode in. A drywall screw will dent the metal just enough to get the drill to start though I have a drill press.

I've tried but Halo plugs for my cars are never available.

dkjones96 08-25-2009 06:19 AM

What about just chopping the ground strap back so it only covers half the center electrode? That's an old performance mod that gets rid a lot of the quench area that this precision drilling is supposed to do.

GasSavers_RoadWarrior 08-25-2009 07:04 AM

There was another recent thread on sidegapping... on Marvin, idle quality wasn't so good, bit better pull above 2000 though, mpg wise less than 5% difference, or I'd have noticed.

Ryanrpm 08-28-2009 07:47 PM

I have completed my indexing and drilling mod to my existing Denso Iridiums. I will report back when I have several tanks of gas burned up. I have been averaging 16.5mpg in 70% city driving.

For those of you with Tundras or any other truck, what mods have you done in order to increase FE?


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