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MetroMPG 08-22-2007 05:22 PM

One of Wayland's Datsuns actually has an entire rear tray that slides in and out of the trunk area electrically.

That parallelogram hinge idea is nice. But truth be told, I'm going to stick with plan A just to keep things moving along. I already work slow enough - don't need to be re-engineering things on top of that!

Silveredwings 08-22-2007 05:28 PM

...way to fend off creature feap.

MetroMPG 08-22-2007 05:32 PM

Nice to see you back, SW. Any Healey news? :)

MetroMPG 08-23-2007 06:04 PM

No rack progress to report

brucepick 08-27-2007 01:56 PM

Sorry to be coming in late.
Did you keep the tranny or what did you do for power transmission between the engine and the wheels?

I'd be OK with a reference to an earlier post #.
TIA.

MetroMPG 08-27-2007 04:36 PM

No prob.

Kept the stock tranny...

MetroMPG 08-27-2007 04:40 PM

Well, the car isn't moving any more until I get to work on the cabling tidy-up & connector-making. I cut one of the battery cables this evening to plan my approach - and I don't have any extras.

Bill in Houston 08-28-2007 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 69867)
And I'll still shift, because it's more efficient (I think - could be wrong).

It's just GOTTA be more efficient, huh? But I don't have any ideas what revs you would be shooting for...

MetroMPG 08-28-2007 05:05 PM

I've read in several EVDL threads that around 3000 rpm is a good target for e-motor max efficiency. But the only way to know for sure is to test it. Fortunately, it's not too hard to do.

MetroMPG 08-29-2007 05:46 PM

Futzed around some with the DIY cable lug idea

skewbe 08-29-2007 06:58 PM

Hmm, you probably have a lot of those cables to make. Do they all need to be flexibe?

MetroMPG 08-29-2007 07:06 PM

One of my first thoughts was to bend up a bunch of copper tubing and make buss bars for the interconnects for the batts that are grouped close together. But the impression I get from the EVDL is that solid buss bars are failure prone / loose prone, and that steered me off that path.

Bill in Houston 08-30-2007 04:48 AM

Can you tin the cable before you put it into the lug? Might keep it from wicking up so much of the solder in the lug.

MetroMPG 08-30-2007 07:06 AM

Might be a multi-step process to let things cool down in between.

Gary Palmer 08-30-2007 08:39 AM

You might try using a damp rag around the cable, to help keep the cable from getting hot enough to wick the solder up. You should also be careful to not use any more heat than just enough to get the solder to flow at the joint of the wire and the pipe. Any more heat than that and it seems to create a oxidation on the copper which is resistant to the solder sticking.

MetroMPG 08-30-2007 12:40 PM

Gary - good ideas. Can't use the cooling rag though, since the wire has heavy insulation above where it's stripped.

MetroMPG 09-06-2007 04:13 PM

Heard back from the forklift place. $7 CAD per lug - yikes!

I found similar ones on evparts.com for $3.60 US each, however there's shipping and currency exchange on top of that.

skewbe 09-06-2007 04:54 PM

Can you solder the heck out of the end of the cable then hammer it flat and drill it? (or pre-flatten then solder then flatten and drill?)

MetroMPG 09-06-2007 06:45 PM

We have a winner! I suggested exactly that to Ivan this evening. :D

PS - Ivan wasn't too happy with my home-made lugs (I will post some pics). He rightly pointed out that while the mechanical connection may be good, the flattened end of the copper pipe was much thinner than the lugs we have. So it wouldn't have had the same current capacity. Whether it would actually have been a problem or not in our application is another question...

MetroMPG 09-07-2007 11:11 AM

DIY vs OEM...

MetroMPG 09-07-2007 12:09 PM

OK, so directly flattening / soldering / flattening the cable end

GasSavers_BigMouse 09-07-2007 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 71282)
OK, so directly flattening / soldering / flattening the cable end itself is the ticket. Weekend project - I'll have the FS operational again shortly (pun not intended).

Those cables look used. Where'd you get them? 20ft of 2/0 AWG welding cable is expensive :-(

GasSavers_BigMouse 09-07-2007 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 71339)
Do you know offhand how people generally route cables from one end of the vehicle to the other? I'm assuming underneath the car, in the exhaust/transmission tunnel. I was thinking we could get some plastic conduit and run it inside that for protection from the elements.

I'm not sure what the common method is, but I was thinking of doing the conduit method as well. Seems to be a safe way to pull it off. Safer than running through the car at least. I look forward to seeing the pics of your lug-less cable ends.

MetroMPG 09-08-2007 10:01 AM

Rear flattened/soldered/flattened batt interconnects turned out well and are installed. Picked up 2 lengths of plastic 1 inch ID conduit as well. Continuing to plug away this afternoon...

trebuchet03 09-08-2007 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetroMPG (Post 71397)
Rear flattened/soldered/flattened batt interconnects turned out well and are installed. Picked up 2 lengths of plastic 1 inch ID conduit as well. Continuing to plug away this afternoon...

Conduit is probably better than what I was going to suggest :p

Large garden hose :thumbup: It's flexible and you know it's water tight :thumbup:

MetroMPG 09-09-2007 05:32 PM

Ooooh. Garden hose is a good idea if you're using 2/0 gauge. It would be a little more saggy than the conduit, but you could work around that.

skewbe 09-09-2007 05:39 PM

Duh, I was worried about the exhaust pipe when you mentioned conduit under the car. LOL :)

Cool Cables, lets hope they don't melt :)

MetroMPG 09-09-2007 05:48 PM

I know... I kept firing up the torches at the back of the car this afternoon, and every time I did I thought, "wait! gas fumes!" :)

I don't think the cables will melt. Unless I really misunderstand what's going on, the 4/0 is WAAY overkill. The internal wiring inside the motor itself is more like 2/0 size. That's what I'm more concerned about melting...

In further "misunderstanding what's going on" news, today was the first time since the start of the project I mistakenly shorted out pack voltage. Freshly charged, too. !!!ZORCH!!! I vapourized the end of a 2/0 lug. :O

lemmiwinks 09-09-2007 09:59 PM

That soldered cable end that turns into a lug is fantastic! Really, really good. Could you post up a tutorial so we don't all have to go through the learning curve please? :)

GasSavers_BigMouse 09-10-2007 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lemmiwinks (Post 71623)
(...) Could you post up a tutorial so we don't all have to go through the learning curve please? :)

I second this request!

MetroMPG 09-10-2007 07:23 AM

Will do. I'll take some pics of the process when I make another one, sometime this week.

Fourthbean 09-10-2007 07:48 AM

I didn't realize how expensive that cabling and lugs could be. I have 10 1ft lengths of 2/0 welding cable that was in the garage I got from a garage sale. I will have to see if I can list and sell them for a bit of extra cash :).

When you say vapourized the end of the lug, did it actually go away? That's some impressive power, glad you weren't hurt.

GasSavers_DaX 09-10-2007 09:19 AM

Looking good Darin - I'm really impressed with the way you made terminal lugs. :)

MetroMPG 09-10-2007 05:23 PM

Thanks DaX.

Field tested the new cables/lugs today.

SVOboy 09-10-2007 05:31 PM

Should I ask for range/speed predictions?

MetroMPG 09-10-2007 05:38 PM

We've already got a pretty good idea: around

2TonJellyBean 09-10-2007 05:43 PM

Why do I get the feeling that you'll throw a portable gas-powered electrical generator on it just to see how many MPG you can get that way?

Petrol-powered would sound so much better. We fill up most of our cars with a liquid we call gas. Ouch we must sound bad to foreigners.

SVOboy 09-10-2007 05:45 PM

Even on the new batteries you got from that pick up truck fella?

MetroMPG 09-10-2007 05:47 PM

2ton: I was snooping around generator websites just the other day.. :D But no serious plans.

Ben: yup, that's on our "good" batteries. Keep in mind he had already used them daily for 2 [edit - actually 3] years, and was essentially ready to recycle them.

MetroMPG 09-11-2007 08:39 AM

Also, using 5.25 as the lower limit effectively extends the car's range. Time for another range test!


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