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Philip1 HAI Experiment 03-22-2009, 06:38 PM

Philip1 here are the results first... 03-23-2009, 11:44 AM

kickflipjr Wow that is an impresive... 03-23-2009, 06:35 PM

Philip1 I have to admit it even... 03-23-2009, 07:16 PM

Ratman667 its good to see the hard... 03-23-2009, 07:21 PM

Philip1 Keep in mind your milage may... 03-23-2009, 07:47 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Post Removed Due To... 03-24-2009, 03:40 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I presume the outdoor temp... 03-24-2009, 03:42 AM

GasSavers_BEEF his test is total BS? I... 03-24-2009, 06:19 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource More good reading:... 03-24-2009, 06:58 AM

Philip1 OK what are you doing to... 03-24-2009, 07:07 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Post deleted due to... 03-24-2009, 07:27 AM

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GasSavers_NovaResource Here goes. Last week my... 03-27-2009, 06:02 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource 8 days later of a WAI and... 04-04-2009, 04:14 PM

101mpg You haven't done significant... 04-08-2009, 05:22 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Yes I have. I'm in the... 04-08-2009, 05:27 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I have to ask myself why does... 03-24-2009, 06:27 AM

dkjones96 Novaresource's information... 03-24-2009, 07:10 AM

GasSavers_maximilian There is possibly some more... 03-24-2009, 07:12 AM

theholycow Keep in mind that 10mpg... 03-24-2009, 07:42 AM

GasSavers_maximilian A jump from 32 to 42 is a 31%... 03-24-2009, 07:49 AM

theholycow NovaResource keeps posting... 03-24-2009, 07:51 AM

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dkjones96 If we still had our dyno here... 03-24-2009, 07:21 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Thanks. That's my main... 03-24-2009, 07:32 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I'm with you there. It's the... 03-24-2009, 07:39 AM

theholycow That's the best kind. That's... 03-24-2009, 07:49 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Member cannot tell the... 03-24-2009, 07:53 AM

dkjones96 Those are the ones that I pay... 03-24-2009, 07:51 AM

theholycow That would make sense if OBD2... 03-24-2009, 07:43 AM

dkjones96 Ahh, but it is something we... 03-24-2009, 07:50 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Is anybody arguing that WAI... 03-24-2009, 07:55 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource I say, yes, give it a shot. ... 03-24-2009, 08:07 AM

theholycow That right there is A-B-A... 03-24-2009, 08:12 AM

spotaneagle Did This With A 94 Sl2 And... 07-11-2009, 07:07 PM

GasSavers_BEEF I just have a hard time with... 03-24-2009, 08:00 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource You don't need to conduct... 03-24-2009, 08:15 AM

LxMike philip: I see in first pic... 03-24-2009, 08:01 AM

Philip1 Yes I was indicating 71f at... 03-24-2009, 08:43 AM

GasSavers_BEEF remember friend, I have been... 03-24-2009, 08:22 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Check my gas logs. I may not... 03-24-2009, 08:41 AM

theholycow As someone who is interested... 03-24-2009, 09:34 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I figured out another reason... 03-24-2009, 08:22 AM

Jay2TheRescue Those don't work at all. I... 03-24-2009, 09:09 AM

GasSavers_BEEF the way the HAI works is that... 03-24-2009, 08:53 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Hypercritical sarcasm. 03-24-2009, 08:59 AM

Philip1 OK without any raised dander... 03-24-2009, 09:16 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource I actually ADDED weight to my... 03-24-2009, 09:34 AM

theholycow NoveResource, on the tire... 03-24-2009, 11:04 AM

GasSavers_BEEF no, didn't miss them. just... 03-24-2009, 09:05 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource That may very well be true... 03-24-2009, 09:20 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Philip1, I noticed your... 03-24-2009, 09:24 AM

Philip1 I've tried both ways and I... 03-24-2009, 09:35 AM

theholycow Like philip1, I have a grille... 03-24-2009, 09:38 AM

GasSavers_BEEF toby mac, duely noted and... 03-24-2009, 09:26 AM

GasSavers_maximilian That's very interesting and... 03-24-2009, 09:38 AM

Philip1 a light would indicate when... 03-24-2009, 09:50 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Let's just say, I'm not... 03-24-2009, 09:44 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I keep forcing myself to use... 03-24-2009, 09:47 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Also something to consider... 03-24-2009, 10:06 AM

R.I.D.E. That warm less dense air must... 03-24-2009, 06:10 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Mileage is better in the... 03-25-2009, 04:25 AM

R.I.D.E. Fuel atomization is a... 03-25-2009, 09:56 AM

GasSavers_BEEF I don't really see how you... 03-24-2009, 10:07 AM

Jay2TheRescue You can also look at "The... 03-24-2009, 10:11 AM

dkjones96 Only in speed density systems... 03-24-2009, 10:35 AM

GasSavers_BEEF the way I understand it, the... 03-24-2009, 11:04 AM

dkjones96 In your Cavalier the IAT and... 03-24-2009, 12:00 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource After doing further research... 03-25-2009, 04:34 AM

Philip1 I wonder if my milage will be... 03-24-2009, 12:33 PM

theholycow I wouldn't expect much, but... 03-24-2009, 02:07 PM

Philip1 I'm actually less concerned... 03-24-2009, 03:18 PM

Philip1 my car is a GM built between... 03-25-2009, 05:59 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Can you read your inlet air... 03-27-2009, 06:24 PM

Jay2TheRescue If you don't have a scangauge... 03-27-2009, 08:26 PM

GasSavers_maximilian How high do cheapo outdoor... 03-28-2009, 02:44 AM

Jay2TheRescue I dropped one behind the... 03-28-2009, 05:40 AM

theholycow Changing weather over the... 03-28-2009, 03:11 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I guess the best we could... 03-28-2009, 08:38 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I was just thinking it'd be... 03-28-2009, 03:50 AM

Philip1 I look forward to your results 03-28-2009, 03:56 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Wow, that's pretty high.... 03-28-2009, 08:06 AM

GasSavers_BEEF I would think that without... 03-28-2009, 08:27 PM

Jay2TheRescue With a grille block and a... 03-28-2009, 09:19 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Despite a longer bout of... 03-29-2009, 04:37 AM

theholycow My VW, wearing 100% grille... 03-29-2009, 03:53 AM

Philip1 I don't think he was... 03-29-2009, 03:44 PM

R.I.D.E. Just my opinion, but I would... 03-29-2009, 06:40 PM

GasSavers_BEEF in the end... I don't... 03-30-2009, 03:30 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Early findings: power way... 04-02-2009, 04:06 AM

dkjones96 That's what made me reverse... 04-02-2009, 06:31 AM

Jay2TheRescue "The tingle lets you know its... 04-02-2009, 07:25 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource The power loss wasn't... 04-02-2009, 08:10 AM

dkjones96 Excellent point. But only... 04-02-2009, 10:03 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Did you ever get a measure of... 04-04-2009, 04:44 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource The substantial loss of power... 04-04-2009, 04:54 PM

GasSavers_maximilian I guess that's true. It'd be... 04-04-2009, 05:01 PM

R.I.D.E. LOL, lets see if your... 04-05-2009, 04:35 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Yes, mileage goes up in the... 04-05-2009, 05:39 PM

R.I.D.E. You have no idea of what you... 04-05-2009, 06:22 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource You are my hero. :thumbup: ... 04-06-2009, 06:36 AM

theholycow Bottom line: There's nowhere... 04-06-2009, 06:55 AM

theholycow I still don't get why so many... 04-06-2009, 02:14 AM

R.I.D.E. Same route today. From cold... 04-06-2009, 09:43 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource The good news is that now the... 04-07-2009, 05:00 AM

dkjones96 This is one of those weird... 04-07-2009, 07:08 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Great post and something I've... 04-07-2009, 12:28 PM

R.I.D.E. Same trip today weather... 04-07-2009, 09:25 AM

dkjones96 Not just older cars use MAP.... 04-07-2009, 12:49 PM

R.I.D.E. Mass air flow sensors measure... 04-07-2009, 12:49 PM

theholycow In modern engines, detonation... 04-07-2009, 01:36 PM

Jetta90GL I don't think by a simple A... 04-07-2009, 03:27 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource That?s exactly what I did. ... 04-07-2009, 03:33 PM

Jay2TheRescue I'd test with your current... 04-07-2009, 07:07 PM

Jetta90GL I do plan on testing it with... 04-07-2009, 07:19 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Warm intake air leads to... 04-07-2009, 03:27 PM

Jetta90GL I don't think a HAI gets all... 04-07-2009, 03:37 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource But they also ran on more... 04-07-2009, 03:53 PM

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Jetta90GL I guess a quick test would be... 04-07-2009, 04:39 PM

R.I.D.E. Nova I know WAI works, I... 04-08-2009, 04:08 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource And I've proven it does not... 04-08-2009, 05:01 AM

GasSavers_BEEF I finally found it, it took... 04-08-2009, 04:32 AM

Jay2TheRescue LOL, that is an old thread... 04-08-2009, 04:56 AM

GasSavers_BEEF distance:263 fuel... 04-08-2009, 05:07 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource I've tested it and proven it... 04-08-2009, 05:20 AM

GasSavers_BEEF I've tested it and provent... 04-08-2009, 05:22 AM

dkjones96 hehe 04-08-2009, 06:24 AM

GasSavers_BEEF that is back when you had... 04-08-2009, 05:37 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Yep, I am. A newbie comes in... 04-08-2009, 05:45 AM

theholycow I hate to discourage posting,... 04-08-2009, 05:42 AM

aalb1 Nova... I give you credit... 04-08-2009, 07:29 AM

Jay2TheRescue Just a note to add here. ... 04-08-2009, 08:01 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Not my test:... 04-08-2009, 08:42 AM

Jay2TheRescue Yes it has been installed by... 04-08-2009, 08:47 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Only when the engine is cold... 04-08-2009, 09:29 AM

GasSavers_maximilian You always seem to completely... 04-08-2009, 08:46 AM

GasSavers_BEEF jay, don't discredit his... 04-08-2009, 08:57 AM

Jay2TheRescue Oh, but I spent more than 5... 04-08-2009, 09:14 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource And that's not insulting me? 04-08-2009, 09:33 AM

theholycow That data has been presented... 04-08-2009, 09:16 AM

GasSavers_BEEF that does have an advantage... 04-08-2009, 09:17 AM

Jay2TheRescue Under WOT, and vacuum drops,... 04-08-2009, 09:28 AM

GasSavers_maximilian If they used to come... 04-08-2009, 09:18 AM

Jay2TheRescue Actually, WAI was part of the... 04-08-2009, 09:24 AM

GasSavers_maximilian That makes a lot of sense.... 04-08-2009, 09:27 AM

GasSavers_maximilian If the WAI does happen to... 04-08-2009, 09:33 AM

Jay2TheRescue Oh yeah, disconnect it when... 04-08-2009, 09:38 AM

GasSavers_BEEF jay, so the vacuum holds... 04-08-2009, 09:40 AM

Jay2TheRescue I just got a PM from another... 04-08-2009, 09:46 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Yes, that is true. And it's... 04-08-2009, 10:23 AM

R.I.D.E. Todays drive; Exact same... 04-08-2009, 10:28 AM

GasSavers_maximilian That's weird, I thought you... 04-08-2009, 10:30 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Sorry but that is true. The... 04-08-2009, 10:43 AM

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Jay2TheRescue Yes, there is a vacuum... 04-08-2009, 11:40 AM

R.I.D.E. MAX NOX is a direct function... 04-08-2009, 10:40 AM

R.I.D.E. Warmer air does not produce... 04-08-2009, 10:45 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Yes, it does 04-08-2009, 10:47 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Same fuel being burned in a... 04-08-2009, 10:49 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource A rich mixure runs cooler... 04-08-2009, 10:52 AM

theholycow This debate is suffering... 04-08-2009, 11:14 AM

theholycow Research done by Honda... 04-08-2009, 11:21 AM

theholycow Successful gaslogs:... 04-08-2009, 11:21 AM

theholycow References to data published... 04-08-2009, 11:22 AM

theholycow I'd like to reiterate that it... 04-08-2009, 11:22 AM

R.I.D.E. The compression "ratio" of... 04-08-2009, 11:25 AM

theholycow Following the WAI links in... 04-08-2009, 11:43 AM

GasSavers_BEEF my head hurts.... make it... 04-08-2009, 11:46 AM

R.I.D.E. Lets use some reverse logic.... 04-08-2009, 11:53 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource An HCCI engine and an... 04-08-2009, 12:28 PM

GasSavers_BEEF of everything said... 04-08-2009, 12:44 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource You want me to reply to... 04-08-2009, 12:59 PM

R.I.D.E. Yo Nova, and what cycle is... 04-08-2009, 03:24 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Otto cycle is spark ignition.... 04-08-2009, 04:19 PM

bowtieguy john, do you have any... 04-09-2009, 10:25 AM

101mpg It's nice to see some more... 04-09-2009, 01:15 PM

R.I.D.E. Maybe you should Wicki "Otto... 04-08-2009, 04:22 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Similar, but not the same. ... 04-08-2009, 04:29 PM

R.I.D.E. So which is correct? This... 04-08-2009, 04:51 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Both statements are correct. ... 04-08-2009, 04:53 PM

R.I.D.E. You are backpedaling now.... 04-08-2009, 04:40 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource I'm not backpedaling at all. ... 04-08-2009, 04:43 PM

R.I.D.E. I think the conclusion is... 04-08-2009, 05:02 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource What's that? That you are... 04-08-2009, 06:10 PM

Jay2TheRescue I thought that the consensus... 04-08-2009, 07:30 PM

R.I.D.E. On the topic of Diesel... 04-08-2009, 07:31 PM

theholycow More data: Here's a gaslog I... 04-09-2009, 05:54 AM

Project84 This makes me smile. I had... 04-09-2009, 08:18 AM

Jay2TheRescue @Project 84: I wouldn't try... 04-09-2009, 04:11 PM

Project84 I've given up on FE mods....... 04-09-2009, 08:14 PM

sc2dave with my 96 Saturn sc2, and... 04-29-2009, 06:32 PM

jeep45238 Which is doing nothing for... 04-30-2009, 05:23 PM

usedgeo Liquid heated warm air. 05-05-2009, 07:22 PM

Project84 220 water temp... steady? ... 05-10-2009, 10:32 AM

R.I.D.E. Mercedes service bulletins... 05-10-2009, 12:20 PM

03-24-2009, 11:04 AM	#1
GasSavers_BEEF Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,831	the way I understand it, the higher the temp, the less fuel is injected and it has the o2 as a double check (or feedback) unless you go into open loop at which time it uses a programmed fuel map and basically sucks gas. I may be understanding it wrong. I can admit that but I don't have a mass air flow sensor, just the IAT. __________________ Be the change you wish to see in the world --Mahatma Gandhi

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