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Philip1 HAI Experiment 03-22-2009, 06:38 PM

Philip1 here are the results first... 03-23-2009, 11:44 AM

kickflipjr Wow that is an impresive... 03-23-2009, 06:35 PM

Philip1 I have to admit it even... 03-23-2009, 07:16 PM

Ratman667 its good to see the hard... 03-23-2009, 07:21 PM

Philip1 Keep in mind your milage may... 03-23-2009, 07:47 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Post Removed Due To... 03-24-2009, 03:40 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I presume the outdoor temp... 03-24-2009, 03:42 AM

GasSavers_BEEF his test is total BS? I... 03-24-2009, 06:19 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource More good reading:... 03-24-2009, 06:58 AM

Philip1 OK what are you doing to... 03-24-2009, 07:07 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Post deleted due to... 03-24-2009, 07:27 AM

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GasSavers_NovaResource Here goes. Last week my... 03-27-2009, 06:02 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource 8 days later of a WAI and... 04-04-2009, 04:14 PM

101mpg You haven't done significant... 04-08-2009, 05:22 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Yes I have. I'm in the... 04-08-2009, 05:27 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I have to ask myself why does... 03-24-2009, 06:27 AM

dkjones96 Novaresource's information... 03-24-2009, 07:10 AM

GasSavers_maximilian There is possibly some more... 03-24-2009, 07:12 AM

theholycow Keep in mind that 10mpg... 03-24-2009, 07:42 AM

GasSavers_maximilian A jump from 32 to 42 is a 31%... 03-24-2009, 07:49 AM

theholycow NovaResource keeps posting... 03-24-2009, 07:51 AM

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dkjones96 If we still had our dyno here... 03-24-2009, 07:21 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Thanks. That's my main... 03-24-2009, 07:32 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I'm with you there. It's the... 03-24-2009, 07:39 AM

theholycow That's the best kind. That's... 03-24-2009, 07:49 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Member cannot tell the... 03-24-2009, 07:53 AM

dkjones96 Those are the ones that I pay... 03-24-2009, 07:51 AM

theholycow That would make sense if OBD2... 03-24-2009, 07:43 AM

dkjones96 Ahh, but it is something we... 03-24-2009, 07:50 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Is anybody arguing that WAI... 03-24-2009, 07:55 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource I say, yes, give it a shot. ... 03-24-2009, 08:07 AM

theholycow That right there is A-B-A... 03-24-2009, 08:12 AM

spotaneagle Did This With A 94 Sl2 And... 07-11-2009, 07:07 PM

GasSavers_BEEF I just have a hard time with... 03-24-2009, 08:00 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource You don't need to conduct... 03-24-2009, 08:15 AM

LxMike philip: I see in first pic... 03-24-2009, 08:01 AM

Philip1 Yes I was indicating 71f at... 03-24-2009, 08:43 AM

GasSavers_BEEF remember friend, I have been... 03-24-2009, 08:22 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Check my gas logs. I may not... 03-24-2009, 08:41 AM

theholycow As someone who is interested... 03-24-2009, 09:34 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I figured out another reason... 03-24-2009, 08:22 AM

Jay2TheRescue Those don't work at all. I... 03-24-2009, 09:09 AM

GasSavers_BEEF the way the HAI works is that... 03-24-2009, 08:53 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Hypercritical sarcasm. 03-24-2009, 08:59 AM

Philip1 OK without any raised dander... 03-24-2009, 09:16 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource I actually ADDED weight to my... 03-24-2009, 09:34 AM

theholycow NoveResource, on the tire... 03-24-2009, 11:04 AM

GasSavers_BEEF no, didn't miss them. just... 03-24-2009, 09:05 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource That may very well be true... 03-24-2009, 09:20 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Philip1, I noticed your... 03-24-2009, 09:24 AM

Philip1 I've tried both ways and I... 03-24-2009, 09:35 AM

theholycow Like philip1, I have a grille... 03-24-2009, 09:38 AM

GasSavers_BEEF toby mac, duely noted and... 03-24-2009, 09:26 AM

GasSavers_maximilian That's very interesting and... 03-24-2009, 09:38 AM

Philip1 a light would indicate when... 03-24-2009, 09:50 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Let's just say, I'm not... 03-24-2009, 09:44 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I keep forcing myself to use... 03-24-2009, 09:47 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Also something to consider... 03-24-2009, 10:06 AM

R.I.D.E. That warm less dense air must... 03-24-2009, 06:10 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Mileage is better in the... 03-25-2009, 04:25 AM

R.I.D.E. Fuel atomization is a... 03-25-2009, 09:56 AM

GasSavers_BEEF I don't really see how you... 03-24-2009, 10:07 AM

Jay2TheRescue You can also look at "The... 03-24-2009, 10:11 AM

dkjones96 Only in speed density systems... 03-24-2009, 10:35 AM

GasSavers_BEEF the way I understand it, the... 03-24-2009, 11:04 AM

dkjones96 In your Cavalier the IAT and... 03-24-2009, 12:00 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource After doing further research... 03-25-2009, 04:34 AM

Philip1 I wonder if my milage will be... 03-24-2009, 12:33 PM

theholycow I wouldn't expect much, but... 03-24-2009, 02:07 PM

Philip1 I'm actually less concerned... 03-24-2009, 03:18 PM

Philip1 my car is a GM built between... 03-25-2009, 05:59 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Can you read your inlet air... 03-27-2009, 06:24 PM

Jay2TheRescue If you don't have a scangauge... 03-27-2009, 08:26 PM

GasSavers_maximilian How high do cheapo outdoor... 03-28-2009, 02:44 AM

Jay2TheRescue I dropped one behind the... 03-28-2009, 05:40 AM

theholycow Changing weather over the... 03-28-2009, 03:11 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I guess the best we could... 03-28-2009, 08:38 AM

GasSavers_maximilian I was just thinking it'd be... 03-28-2009, 03:50 AM

Philip1 I look forward to your results 03-28-2009, 03:56 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Wow, that's pretty high.... 03-28-2009, 08:06 AM

GasSavers_BEEF I would think that without... 03-28-2009, 08:27 PM

Jay2TheRescue With a grille block and a... 03-28-2009, 09:19 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Despite a longer bout of... 03-29-2009, 04:37 AM

theholycow My VW, wearing 100% grille... 03-29-2009, 03:53 AM

Philip1 I don't think he was... 03-29-2009, 03:44 PM

R.I.D.E. Just my opinion, but I would... 03-29-2009, 06:40 PM

GasSavers_BEEF in the end... I don't... 03-30-2009, 03:30 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Early findings: power way... 04-02-2009, 04:06 AM

dkjones96 That's what made me reverse... 04-02-2009, 06:31 AM

Jay2TheRescue "The tingle lets you know its... 04-02-2009, 07:25 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource The power loss wasn't... 04-02-2009, 08:10 AM

dkjones96 Excellent point. But only... 04-02-2009, 10:03 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Did you ever get a measure of... 04-04-2009, 04:44 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource The substantial loss of power... 04-04-2009, 04:54 PM

GasSavers_maximilian I guess that's true. It'd be... 04-04-2009, 05:01 PM

R.I.D.E. LOL, lets see if your... 04-05-2009, 04:35 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Yes, mileage goes up in the... 04-05-2009, 05:39 PM

R.I.D.E. You have no idea of what you... 04-05-2009, 06:22 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource You are my hero. :thumbup: ... 04-06-2009, 06:36 AM

theholycow Bottom line: There's nowhere... 04-06-2009, 06:55 AM

theholycow I still don't get why so many... 04-06-2009, 02:14 AM

R.I.D.E. Same route today. From cold... 04-06-2009, 09:43 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource The good news is that now the... 04-07-2009, 05:00 AM

dkjones96 This is one of those weird... 04-07-2009, 07:08 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Great post and something I've... 04-07-2009, 12:28 PM

R.I.D.E. Same trip today weather... 04-07-2009, 09:25 AM

dkjones96 Not just older cars use MAP.... 04-07-2009, 12:49 PM

R.I.D.E. Mass air flow sensors measure... 04-07-2009, 12:49 PM

theholycow In modern engines, detonation... 04-07-2009, 01:36 PM

Jetta90GL I don't think by a simple A... 04-07-2009, 03:27 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource That?s exactly what I did. ... 04-07-2009, 03:33 PM

Jay2TheRescue I'd test with your current... 04-07-2009, 07:07 PM

Jetta90GL I do plan on testing it with... 04-07-2009, 07:19 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Warm intake air leads to... 04-07-2009, 03:27 PM

Jetta90GL I don't think a HAI gets all... 04-07-2009, 03:37 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource But they also ran on more... 04-07-2009, 03:53 PM

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Jetta90GL I guess a quick test would be... 04-07-2009, 04:39 PM

R.I.D.E. Nova I know WAI works, I... 04-08-2009, 04:08 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource And I've proven it does not... 04-08-2009, 05:01 AM

GasSavers_BEEF I finally found it, it took... 04-08-2009, 04:32 AM

Jay2TheRescue LOL, that is an old thread... 04-08-2009, 04:56 AM

GasSavers_BEEF distance:263 fuel... 04-08-2009, 05:07 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource I've tested it and proven it... 04-08-2009, 05:20 AM

GasSavers_BEEF I've tested it and provent... 04-08-2009, 05:22 AM

dkjones96 hehe 04-08-2009, 06:24 AM

GasSavers_BEEF that is back when you had... 04-08-2009, 05:37 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Yep, I am. A newbie comes in... 04-08-2009, 05:45 AM

theholycow I hate to discourage posting,... 04-08-2009, 05:42 AM

aalb1 Nova... I give you credit... 04-08-2009, 07:29 AM

Jay2TheRescue Just a note to add here. ... 04-08-2009, 08:01 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Not my test:... 04-08-2009, 08:42 AM

Jay2TheRescue Yes it has been installed by... 04-08-2009, 08:47 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Only when the engine is cold... 04-08-2009, 09:29 AM

GasSavers_maximilian You always seem to completely... 04-08-2009, 08:46 AM

GasSavers_BEEF jay, don't discredit his... 04-08-2009, 08:57 AM

Jay2TheRescue Oh, but I spent more than 5... 04-08-2009, 09:14 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource And that's not insulting me? 04-08-2009, 09:33 AM

theholycow That data has been presented... 04-08-2009, 09:16 AM

GasSavers_BEEF that does have an advantage... 04-08-2009, 09:17 AM

Jay2TheRescue Under WOT, and vacuum drops,... 04-08-2009, 09:28 AM

GasSavers_maximilian If they used to come... 04-08-2009, 09:18 AM

Jay2TheRescue Actually, WAI was part of the... 04-08-2009, 09:24 AM

GasSavers_maximilian That makes a lot of sense.... 04-08-2009, 09:27 AM

GasSavers_maximilian If the WAI does happen to... 04-08-2009, 09:33 AM

Jay2TheRescue Oh yeah, disconnect it when... 04-08-2009, 09:38 AM

GasSavers_BEEF jay, so the vacuum holds... 04-08-2009, 09:40 AM

Jay2TheRescue I just got a PM from another... 04-08-2009, 09:46 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Yes, that is true. And it's... 04-08-2009, 10:23 AM

R.I.D.E. Todays drive; Exact same... 04-08-2009, 10:28 AM

GasSavers_maximilian That's weird, I thought you... 04-08-2009, 10:30 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Sorry but that is true. The... 04-08-2009, 10:43 AM

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Jay2TheRescue Yes, there is a vacuum... 04-08-2009, 11:40 AM

R.I.D.E. MAX NOX is a direct function... 04-08-2009, 10:40 AM

R.I.D.E. Warmer air does not produce... 04-08-2009, 10:45 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource Yes, it does 04-08-2009, 10:47 AM

GasSavers_maximilian Same fuel being burned in a... 04-08-2009, 10:49 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource A rich mixure runs cooler... 04-08-2009, 10:52 AM

theholycow This debate is suffering... 04-08-2009, 11:14 AM

theholycow Research done by Honda... 04-08-2009, 11:21 AM

theholycow Successful gaslogs:... 04-08-2009, 11:21 AM

theholycow References to data published... 04-08-2009, 11:22 AM

theholycow I'd like to reiterate that it... 04-08-2009, 11:22 AM

R.I.D.E. The compression "ratio" of... 04-08-2009, 11:25 AM

theholycow Following the WAI links in... 04-08-2009, 11:43 AM

GasSavers_BEEF my head hurts.... make it... 04-08-2009, 11:46 AM

R.I.D.E. Lets use some reverse logic.... 04-08-2009, 11:53 AM

GasSavers_NovaResource An HCCI engine and an... 04-08-2009, 12:28 PM

GasSavers_BEEF of everything said... 04-08-2009, 12:44 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource You want me to reply to... 04-08-2009, 12:59 PM

R.I.D.E. Yo Nova, and what cycle is... 04-08-2009, 03:24 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Otto cycle is spark ignition.... 04-08-2009, 04:19 PM

bowtieguy john, do you have any... 04-09-2009, 10:25 AM

101mpg It's nice to see some more... 04-09-2009, 01:15 PM

R.I.D.E. Maybe you should Wicki "Otto... 04-08-2009, 04:22 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Similar, but not the same. ... 04-08-2009, 04:29 PM

R.I.D.E. So which is correct? This... 04-08-2009, 04:51 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource Both statements are correct. ... 04-08-2009, 04:53 PM

R.I.D.E. You are backpedaling now.... 04-08-2009, 04:40 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource I'm not backpedaling at all. ... 04-08-2009, 04:43 PM

R.I.D.E. I think the conclusion is... 04-08-2009, 05:02 PM

GasSavers_NovaResource What's that? That you are... 04-08-2009, 06:10 PM

Jay2TheRescue I thought that the consensus... 04-08-2009, 07:30 PM

R.I.D.E. On the topic of Diesel... 04-08-2009, 07:31 PM

theholycow More data: Here's a gaslog I... 04-09-2009, 05:54 AM

Project84 This makes me smile. I had... 04-09-2009, 08:18 AM

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03-24-2009, 09:35 AM

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Philip1

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Originally Posted by maximilian

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Philip1, I noticed your grille block looks like it's underneath the grille, rather than on top of it. Do you ever wonder if it would cause even less drag if it were smooth? Be a lot more work I imagine. Maybe not worth it?

I've tried both ways and I found the slightly less obvious behind the grille looked better and made no milage difference. It was more about just having it rather than whether it was in front or behind the grille

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