Teflon - Slick50 - Synlube + Oils & Additives

[bowtieguy]

Originally Posted by Jay2TheRescue

I noticed that you linked to a US site, and Xcelplus was linking to an Australian site. Is the difference just the exchange rate between $US and $AU?

that was my next question. what currency does australia use?

[bowtieguy]

his original site has a currency conversion link, and i came up w/ this...http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Am...rom=AUD&To=USD

[Robert]

Xcelplus,
I have read the data provided at your website.
I will add that in a previous post Mobil 1 combined with your products is synergentic.
An independent person with a website following was finally convinced to do oil analysis of mobile one at 3000---6000---9000---12000 mile intervals with out changing the mobil one filter.
What they found out that as the Mobil 1 oil reached contamination levels, at 6000 miles the friction increased...releasing a polymer based ingredient that then restictured the friction aspects, all based on acidic contamination levels.
At 12,000 miles the same events occured, based on the acidic content of the oil.
As I do not have much to offer in the way of credentials, other than the fact that my best friend's in college, his father was the number one salesman of Mobile 1 oil for 18 years.
His lament was that people just did not want to belive the science of the engineered oil and Mobile would not promote better.
Mobil kept that quiet as it boosted sales...but he calculated that a billion gallons of crude oil consumption yearly would be an easy number to achieve.
That is from private conversations...as to keep his job...his confidentiality agreement was in effect.
He has passed way so that insider information is no longer an issue.
In theory, Mobil 1 oil will last years...if acidic values are kept low.
The Excelplus will reduce the friction temperatures that create the acidic temperature.
I really appreciate John Bishop allowing himself to be video'ed and you presented the long story.
I also will tell you that I am an the inventor of a management system...called The Hull Effect...that exceeds your products improvements.
It is classified as a new field of study for Internal combustion engines.
This forum is dedicated to fuel efficiencies, and had your product gained acceptability with truthful adverstising policies, as the same with Mobil 1 oil, the amount of oil reserves would have been extended some 3000 years...to date.

moderators...are you suppressing scientific information that John Bishop, the chemist who engineered the formula, is releasing through Excelplus?
It seems that way to me.
Robert W Hull



I do not percieve it as "advertising" as much as it has been excellently informative of what has been occuring for decades with marketing policies...greed and keeping the public ignorant of the science quanitfying these two formulas.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by Robert

moderators...are you suppressing scientific information that John Bishop, the chemist who engineered the formula, is releasing through Excelplus?
It seems that way to me.
Robert W Hull



I do not percieve it as "advertising" as much as it has been excellently informative of what has been occuring for decades with marketing policies...greed and keeping the public ignorant of the science quanitfying these two formulas.

On a daily basis, we see various forms of spam and advertising posted, and our job as moderators is to delete it so that the site is a clean, welcoming place for individuals to exchange information about personal research of fuel economy strategies. As a result of the constant volume of spam we see and delete (and the type of marketing that this subject attracts), we are very skeptical, both personally and as we represent the site.

The internet has no shortage of information about products you can buy; not only do we not seek to compete with sites that advertise, discuss, or review those products, but we also want to avoid this site becoming about products you can purchase rather than strategies and modifications you can do for free (or using common commodity goods).

In some select instances, we allow someone who is or appears to be involved in the promotion of a product to continue, if we think that it can further this site's goals and if we think that the person may be able to convince us to dismiss our skepticism.

To dismiss my skepticism, 3rd party verification that I can trust is required - and it must be made easy enough for me not to have to make an effort to verify it.

[Jay2TheRescue]

Originally Posted by Robert

moderators...are you suppressing scientific information that John Bishop, the chemist who engineered the formula, is releasing through Excelplus?
It seems that way to me.
Robert W Hull

No, we're not suppressing any info, but you are another one that has failed to point us to any kind of evidence, other than what you say.

It has to be understood that we get people in every day trying to sell stuff that doesn't work to our membership. Most of them get outright banned and their posts deleted immediately. The fact that you and Xcelplus have not been immediately banned says that the site administration thinks that there may be a chance that your product works, but just saying someone tested it and it worked isn't good enough here. I can say that I get 40 MPG in my full size 4x4 by mixing 10% yak urine in the fuel. Doesn't mean it actually works, but I might be able to sell you some yak urine in the process.

That's where the third party analysis comes in. Can you link to a document NOT hosted on your own site that is published by a reputable independent lab or Gov't agency that confirms your claims?

[Robert]

Yupper,
No doubt you are bombarded.
If you knew what responsibilities, papaerwork, the inventor is subject to, just to get a patent...you wouldn't ask such questions.
When honesty comes your way...you miss the boat.
Truth in advertizing comes into a real legal quagmire.
The CEO is named on that website.
I rarely allow any such links to be put on my website until I read between the lines, the science behind the product, and if they are hiding behind "word smithing"....attorney marketeering words.
I have been involved with products that have been "repackaged on the outside" but the" inside formula" remains the same...and for 50 years this happened as saturation points of demographics plateaued.
I have been posting on forums for 4 years....and among professors of Universities, electrical engineers, head engineers of the largest companies in the world, all with no less than 35 years experience each in their field of expertise...
not one time have I posted untruths.
I have access to 300 worldwide internet forums...waiting for me to give permission to them to "Get 'R DONE !!!

"In the questions of science, the authority of a thousand, is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual"
'Galileo'
This is my "adopted mantra" sent o me by a vey good friend whom I helped rescue, his 4 year old daugther from the Brazilian...so called..." bad guys."
That took phone calls that reached THE White House Staff.
The international incident is still on-going...but the child is safe...and the Brazilian Government Agencies really can be inspired to get off their asses when you threaten their ethanol export buisnesses.

I am very curious about if given the tools...will people use them correctly?

The Hull Effect is about much more than fuel efficiencies...raw resources not being wasted...just for the fun of it.
Robert
It can't be true.

[Jay2TheRescue]

I do know what's involved in getting a patent, I had tried to get an idea patented before, and decided the expense and hassle wasn't worth it. I also know that many "fuel saving" devices that have been proven to not work are patented. All patenting does is keep others from making the exact same snake oil device as you are. Nowhere in the patent process do you have to prove that your invention/idea/product works. You do have to prove that it is unique, and nobody else has patented it before, and it has not been made before.

EDIT: It has been very well documented that fuel magnets do not work, yet a quick internet search came up with these patents:

U.S. Patent 3,830,621 - Process and Apparatus for Effecting Efficient Combustion.
U.S. Patent 4,188,296 - Fuel Combustion and Magnetizing Apparatus used therefor.
U.S. Patent 4,461,262 - Fuel Treating Device.
U.S. Patent 4,572,145 - Magnetic Fuel Line Device.
U.S. Patent 5,124,045 - Permanent Magnetic Power Cell System for Treating Fuel Lines for More Efficient Combustion and Less Pollution.
U.S. Patent 5,331,807 - Air Fuel Magnetizer.
U.S. Patent 5,664,546 - Fuel Saving Device.
U.S. Patent 5,671,719 - Fuel Activation Apparatus using Magnetic Body.
U.S. Patent 5,829,420 - Electromagnetic Device for the Magnetic Treatment of Fuel.

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/reports.htm
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/devices/pb83181115.pdf
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/devices/pb82194937.pdf

Also note that I was able to link directly to EPA reports on the EPA.GOV site to support my claims.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by Robert

If you knew what responsibilities, papaerwork, the inventor is subject to, just to get a patent...you wouldn't ask such questions.
When honesty comes your way...you miss the boat.

The burden of proof remains on the person who is selling something. It is unfortunate that such a person would have such a large burden with patenting, but that doesn't change our job or our needs.

If we allowed every patent holder to post marketing here, all discussions of our core subject (free/DIY fuel saving) would be severely drowned out.

I would amend your statement to say: When honesty comes our way from an overwhelmed (or undermotivated) seller, we miss the boat.

[Jay2TheRescue]

We could argue this indefinitely. Both of you want to use this site for promoting your wares, yet neither of you has come forward with concrete, verifiable proof, offered a sample of their product for us to evaluate & review, or has offered to become a paid advertiser on the site.