Stations that sell E10 (read: Stations to avoid)

[JanGeo]

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/19/1032054913626.html

Snips from above complete article...

Manildra makes about 95 per cent of Australia's ethanol, a fuel additive produced from crop waste, and blends it with petrol. There are no restrictions on the levels of ethanol that can be blended. But car companies have warned the Government that blends of more than 10 per cent can cause serious damage to engines and void warranties.

Other consumer, motoring and petrol organisations have also demanded for years that the level of ethanol be no higher than 10 per cent, and that consumers be made aware.

Yesterday Labor also produced a letter from the chairman and managing director of Holden, Peter Hanenberger, in February to the secretary of the Environment Department, Roger Beale, and the secretary of the Prime Minister's Department, Max Moore-Wilton. The letter expresses concern about engine damage, and potential emissions and health risks, from fuel containing more than 10 per cent ethanol. The rest of the car industry is believed to share his concerns.

[tomauto]

The only reason I would ever buy e85 is to reduce the dependence of foreign oil...But they need to give me a reason to buy it (less cost) because it certainly isn't going to give you better gas mileage!

The only plus point is that it reduces greenhouse gases...and that isn't effecting my wallet, yet.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byfueltype.htm

[SVOboy]

The get less for more argument really depends on how you look at it. I get less when I buy fair trade, and I pay more. But it's worth it. We are the wealthiest country in the world...

[thisisntjared]

Originally Posted by tomauto

The only plus point is that it reduces greenhouse gases...

where does it say that???? and is this less greenhouse gases per gallon burned or less greenhouse gases per ft/lb?

[tomauto]

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byfueltype.htm

They compare Gasoline to E85 (under Greenhouse Gas emissions - Emissions are in tons/year)It is Based on 45% highway driving, 55% city driving, 15000 annual miles.

GHG- Greenhouse gas emissions expressed in CO2 equivalents. Estimates include the full fuel cycle and exclude vehicle manufacture. (U.S. Department of Energy, EPA)

[thisisntjared]

that link doesnt say anything about comparing gasoline to e10 for my car.:?

all of the cars on that list that are flex fuel cost signifcantly more to fill up a year. the green house gasses seem to have an average reduction of 20%. however, driving a civic will yeild a greater drop in the green house gases emmited more so thanany flex fuel vehicle on e85.

[tomauto]

I was just showing you that with e85 you will get less mileage. These are with new cars for 2006. Did you look at those cars though?

[JanGeo]

The theory is that the crop that is grown and harvested and converted to make the ethanol takes the CO2 and converts it to O2 when it is grown and when burned takes the same amount of O2 and makes CO2 so the net gain is about zero where as the petroleum just makes CO2 and doesn't convert back because the O2 that formed from it happened millions of years ago. Also no matter how the crop is used it produces CO2 if burned or eaten. That is also the point about Hydrogen as when made by electrolysis O2 is released and later it combines with it again making water completing the cycle.

[thisisntjared]

i edited my post. you might want to re-read it, sorry i got you confused with the robot whatever guy, since you both dont have avatars stupid me

[tomauto]

Those cars were mostly american made. From the beginning they are not as good as any Civic. With e85 they are somewhat better, but the only reason for that to be truly practical is if they lower the price of e85.