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07-05-2008, 03:21 PM
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Next week my carbed 351C will be ready to do an HH0 test on.
Flapdoodle did some tests some time back. But did he do a scientific test even with the engine up too 1800rpm no load to see if the is a higher rpm with HHO than not?
This debate is getting very old! I'd like too settle it!
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07-05-2008, 03:26 PM
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There's a lot of basic inertial dynos out there that can't measure anything but WOT blasts. One needs access to a "real" dyno that one can vary load. Then one has to come up with an elaborate setup for doing what a driver does automatically, using as much throttle as necessary to maintain a fairly constant external load/speed. You're likely to waste days frigging around with the test setup on a very expensive dyno, then when everything is set you can frig around with the HHO on and off.
Then all you've got is numbers that say it uses X percent less, where before you had numbers that said it went Y percent further on a gallon. If nobody can get their head round Y what makes you think X is gonna sell 'em.
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07-05-2008, 03:39 PM
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Oh and however you set it up, the scofftics are gonna be too busy looking for "the man behind the curtain" to pay attention to what actually happened. I'll save them the trouble, the man behind the curtain is in this equation...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afterma...mic_Efficiency
go figure out the value of g for various small mixtures of H2 and see the numbers bounce around. Now see how much extra efficiency you get for an extra few percent "parasitic" load, remembering that while drivetrain and engine frictional losses are usually reckoned as a percentage of the output, that they are not magically going to go UP when you increase the efficiency of the motor. Forget all the rules of thumb, they are for straight gasoline motors.
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07-05-2008, 03:51 PM
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Even no load you should see an increase in rpm same throttle angle.
Look I'm a "Troll". SivlerBullet dude don't even know me. These guys piss me off and make LOL at the same time.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/69...ossible-6.html
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07-05-2008, 04:21 PM
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Heh, it won't work, it must not work, IT CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO WORK. LOL.
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07-05-2008, 04:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadWarrior
Heh, it won't work, it must not work, IT CAN'T BE ALLOWED TO WORK. LOL.
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LOL
I bet some of those guys on ford-trucks forums live off of other peoples taxes.
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07-05-2008, 06:42 PM
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That's only true of older cars. Since the 80s the ECU has been modulating the field current of alternators according to load. Since it's the work done by a magnetic field shoving electrons around in the armature of the alternator that causes the greater proportion of the drag on the motor, turning the magnetic field off, let's say be de-energising the field coils, will also turn the drag off, apart from the frictional drag due to the bearings and belts. As you might guess, this doesn't shove any electrons around and no current is produced at this point. When the ECU sees increased electrical demand, it turns the field coils back on again.
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07-05-2008, 06:53 PM
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yeah, I was slow posting.
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07-05-2008, 06:56 PM
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Yeah the major difference is Road Warrior EXPLAINED it and your answer in a word was umm "GEEZ" useless.
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07-05-2008, 06:59 PM
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So a single wire to the Alternator (shown here) does what you describe yes?
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