Requiem for another pickup

[theholycow]

I thought it was the Navajo. The Tribute was based on (or badge-engineered from) the Escape.

[GasSavers_BEEF]

I've never even seen a navajo (I had to google search it)

thought of the tribute because it is the only mazda SUV that I ever remember seeing.

after google searching it, you are probably right.

[trollbait]

Originally Posted by BamZipPow

Here's the numbers fer yah...since I'm a T-100 owner.

2010 Tacoma
height 65.7/69.9
width 72.2/74.6
length 190.4
wheel base 109.4/110
bed length 73.5
bed height 18
bed width/between wheels 56.7/41.5
track 61/61 63/63.4


t100 (long bed and short bed)
height 67.2/68.2/71.6/72.6
width 75.2
length 209.1
wheel base 121.8
bed length 97.6/76.1
bed width/between wheels 61.4/49.2
tread width 61.8/64 65/65.4

Close enough that they'd appear the same when viewed seperately. The the first gen Tundra probably wasn't much bigger than the T100. Which explains why the new one became a beast, Toyota didn't want it competing with the Tacoma.

Been competing loose tabs on the Mahindra truck.
height 71.77
width 69.68 excluding mirrors
length 206.73
wheel base 119.68
bed length 91.92
bed width/between wheels 53.07/44.01
bed height 21.65

We'll be getting a small diesel truck, but it won't be a compact.

The Ranger may have been a victim of it's own success. It is an old design that was economical and dependable. Ford didn't have to put much into it to keep up steady sales. Unfortunetly, with upcoming regulations, Tweaks and add-ons aren't going to be enough, and a redesign and retooling aren't in the budget. Perhaps Ford will bring back a compact truck in the future. It will likely be based on the Escape, Transit Connect, or even Focus platform. Something the diehards won't consider a real truck. Ina sense they'll be right.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by trollbait

Which explains why the new one became a beast, Toyota didn't want it competing with the Tacoma.

Actually, I believe that happened because they needed to stop having the smallest full-size on the market during the pickup truck size arms race.

[GasSavers_JoeBob]

Sorry to see the Ranger go...guess people still want the big pick-ups.

Had a '77 Chevy LUV during the early '90s. Perfectly adequate truck for my needs...too bad it kept blowing head gaskets.

[kamesama980]

I know one guy who has an 03 ranger that he loves said he'd buy a new one if it were any different than the one he has. which is true. Other than bigger engines the truck didn't get any changes (other than minor interior and front facia) till 99 or so when they went from the idiotic twin I-beam front suspension to lasa like normal trucks, and nothing since then. not even a body-style change since the early 90s.

AFAIK the T100 was the heavier duty intermediary between the toyota pickup of the early 90s and the tacoma later on, not a parallel line-up. the tundra was a larger parallel line

I've always been a fan of tiny light 4 cylinder 5 speed pickups. I have the S10 that sucks (just cause it's a chevy) but nothings stopped it yet (still trying to sell) and my 91 toyota pickup that pulled almost twice it's weight 350 miles at 60 mph and a leaking radiator. both weigh in at 2700lbs with everything but me.

[theholycow]

The T100 was definitely a parallel line, Toyota's first foray into the full-size pickup segment (and criticized for being too small). The Hilux (and then the Tacoma) was sold alongside it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_T100

[kamesama980]

not to be difficult, but it does use the same engine, ball joints and brakes (at least in the 1/2 ton version) according to rockauto parts cross reference. I'm pretty sure it's a beefed up version with slightly different panels. not a new line per se but the beefier reworking. (like chevy normal and HD 2500 and 3500)

[theholycow]

I don't disagree that it's small and light-duty. I was merely talking about market classification. It's not a big truck, but it is full size.

GM certainly thought it was made to compete with their best-selling full size pickup line: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwBq38Ne7Lc

The Tundra didn't come out until it replaced the T100. They were not sold side-by-side.

[trollbait]

Originally Posted by theholycow

Actually, I believe that happened because they needed to stop having the smallest full-size on the market during the pickup truck size arms race.

True, but being smaller was a plus in my eyes, since most trucks sold are oversized for the duties they perform. It may not have sold well, but it was niche most truck makers were ignoring. However, Toyota wanted the biggest, baddest truck on the market.

They got it. For a higher price than their competitors. At a high time of record gas prices, and said competitors had caught up to the Tundra's fuel economy. You'll always see praise at fan sites on how forward looking Toyota is with their hybrids, but they definitely read things wrong with the Tundra.