PIB as a fuel additive

[GasSavers_JustMe]

The links on this site don't work, but it is PIB
http://www.apdinc.com/GTAfuel.html

Here is the manufacturer
http://www.gtatech.com/news_wash_times_8252000.html

A comparison of different additives
http://mainland.cctt.org/istf2002/background/fuels.asp

[SVOboy]

That last link is quite interesting, I'll have to bookmark it. I'm glad they're phasing out mtbe,

[GasSavers_JustMe]

Louis LaPointe says he adds an ounce of Torco GP-7 or Torco EAL (engine assembly lube) to 16 ounces of acetone. Since we know the GP-7 is about one third PIB, it could be assumed the EAL is also. Actually the EAL might have a stronger concentration. I read somewhere that PIB is pink. The EAL is pink, also very thick like molasses.

[GasSavers_JustMe]

At the bottom of this article
http://www.dolphinaci.com/news/newsreleases13.html
it says that
"Fuel efficiency of the 20 percent biodiesel/diesel mixture was enhanced by the additive “Viscon,” which is the chemical polyisobutylene."

[diamondlarry]

Louis LaPointe says he adds an ounce of Torco GP-7 or Torco EAL (engine assembly lube) to 16 ounces of acetone. Since we know the GP-7 is about one third PIB, it could be assumed the EAL is also. Actually the EAL might have a stronger concentration. I read somewhere that PIB is pink. The EAL is pink, also very thick like molasses.

I would suggest testing the EAL mixture before adding it into the tank. I've seen several refferences where it was mentioned that EAL is very difficult if not impossible keep mixed. It was also suggested that EAL could cause things to gum up because of it's difficulty in mixing. I have not personally tested EAL so I'm just going by what I've read in different places.

[GasSavers_JustMe]

The Torco MPZ magnetic friction reducer is also pink. Does anybody know if it has PIB? It is very thin so might mix better, but is more expensive.

[diamondlarry]

That could be another good source for PIB. The GP-7 two cycle oil seems to mix very well and, it doesn't seem to have any problems with getting un-mixed. Until we get back to summer gas it's going to be hard to tell whether it increases mpg though.

[JanGeo]

This thread convinced me to join your group and I was wondering . . . after getting a pint of GP-7 Yesterday and adding 3cc to my 10-11 gallons of gas in my tank . . . if you all came up with an amount to add to the gas? The 20ppm seems to require about 1280/1,000,000 * 20 * 3 ounces where the 3 is because of the 33% PIB in the oil. This gives me 0.0768 ounces * 30 cc/ounce gives 2.304 cc of oil. Some are adding 2-3 ounces which is about 30 times the amount talked about here.

[diamondlarry]

I think what I ended up trying was 2 ounces of Torco oil in one gallon of gas. I then take 1 ounce of this mixture and add it to each gallon of gas I put in my car. This comes out to just under 50 ppm. Unfortunately I think I'm going to have to wait until summer gas is back until I will be able to tell how much good it's doing. I started my testing right when winter gas arrived.

[JanGeo]

I think that comes out to 122ppm = 2/128/128 * 1,000,000 but anyway why are you waiting for summer gas - winter gas needs treatment also.