Hybrids killing mileage of non hybrids

[trebuchet03]

Originally Posted by SVOboy

Anyway, the meat industry accounts for higher emissions than all forms of transportation together. So yeah, meat eaters, for shame.

Haha, I read that too My immediate reaction question.... Is chicken isht better than cow manure?

[SVOboy]

Vegan powa!

[GasSavers_Ryland]

I was looking out the window yesterday, and could see both the Metro, and my '83 civic hatch back, and realized that they are almos exactly the same size, and shape... now take a look at the new honda civic, how simaler in size, and shape to a geo metro is that? not at all, not even close!

a few months back I was wondering what the non-vtec engine was that came in the Fit, it turns out they wanted to make an engine that ran extreamly clean, and turned as much of the fuel in to useable power as possible, and one of the things that they had to change when they brought the Fit to the US market, was to figure out how to give it more power, so they got rid of the DPI engine, and gave it a high revving, fuel wasting vtec engine, but that's ok, it's only a 1.5L engine, and that's small, right? I meen if you were any place else you could get it with the 1.3, but it's not like you can really sell a car that has a 1.3L engine... (metros have 1L...) ok, I'm done being sarcastic now.

[omgwtfbyobbq]

Originally Posted by SVOboy

Anyway, the meat industry accounts for higher emissions than all forms of transportation together. So yeah, meat eaters, for shame.

*shrug*

I'm an equal opportunity cheapskate. I buy based on a calorie/nutrition per $ basis. I had Turkey burgers tonight!

[cfg83]

Ryland -

Originally Posted by Ryland

I was looking out the window yesterday, and could see both the Metro, and my '83 civic hatch back, and realized that they are almos exactly the same size, and shape... now take a look at the new honda civic, how simaler in size, and shape to a geo metro is that? not at all, not even close!

Egg-zactly. I had the same experience in a parking lot when I saw an early 1990's Accord alongside a 2006 Civic. They are very close.

a few months back I was wondering what the non-vtec engine was that came in the Fit, it turns out they wanted to make an engine that ran extreamly clean, and turned as much of the fuel in to useable power as possible, and one of the things that they had to change when they brought the Fit to the US market, was to figure out how to give it more power, so they got rid of the DPI engine, and gave it a high revving, fuel wasting vtec engine, but that's ok, it's only a 1.5L engine, and that's small, right? I meen if you were any place else you could get it with the 1.3, but it's not like you can really sell a car that has a 1.3L engine... (metros have 1L...) ok, I'm done being sarcastic now.

As Charlie Brown would say, ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Here's an idea, why not offer the fuel sipping drivetrain at a premium? Would you pay more for a 1.3 liter engine that got maybe 35/45 MPG (old school example EPA)? The reason why I think this is reasonable is that it would cost them more to cut in this extra drivetrain, on the assumption that they wouldn't sell as many as the more powerfull "American Style" VTECs.

CarloSW2

[trebuchet03]

Originally Posted by cfg83

Here's an idea, why not offer the fuel sipping drivetrain at a premium? Would you pay more for a 1.3 liter engine that got maybe 35/45 MPG (old school example EPA)? The reason why I think this is reasonable is that it would cost them more to cut in this extra drivetrain, on the assumption that they wouldn't sell as many as the more powerfull "American Style" VTECs.

CarloSW2

Something tells me that doing that would increase the rate of depreciation :/ Bad/unwanted press for their company.

Just playing [the green] Devil's Advocate...

[mrmad]

I think hybrids have not been around long enough, nor are there anough of them yet to start seeing some of the drawbacks of them. For example, I would not want to own one of them once it was out of warranty. I'd hate to think what some of the power controlling hardware costs to replace, plus the parts will probably only be available from the dealer, and it will be a while before your regular mechanic will be able to service them.

If in 10 years, a large % of cars sold in America are Hybrids, I also image there will be battery junk yards that will make the average Sierra Club member cringe.

[BeeUU]

But what would be nice is.... a small electric motor that you can use on demand. Sometimes while coasting I need only a little "boost" to keep up with traffic, get up past a bump in the road or start from a stop on a hill. That would be handy!!!

[Bill in Houston]

One of the things that the hybrid people I have hung out with have always wished for was more control of the timing and force of their available electric motor boost. Like having a manual transmission vs automatic, I think that most of us would make better decisions on the use of the boost than the vehicle ECU would.

[BeeUU]

Originally Posted by Bill in Houston

One of the things that the hybrid people I have hung out with have always wished for was more control of the timing and force of their available electric motor boost. Like having a manual transmission vs automatic, I think that most of us would make better decisions on the use of the boost than the vehicle ECU would.

Exactly!!