How many MPG's am I losing for extra 20amps?

[GasSavers_RoadWarrior]

Yeah make it payable to RoadWarrior Industrial Development Enterprises, PO Box 1337...

[GasSavers_bobski]

Originally Posted by Ven

I misunderstood the concept of over inflation. The words are kind of deceptive.

Well, are we talking over inflation based on vehicle specs, or tire specs? Pumping a tire up to max sidewall pressure is often over-inflated based on vehicle specs, but is still perfectly safe to drive on. Going beyond max sidewall pressure would be over-inflated according to both specs.

[GasSavers_Ven]

Originally Posted by bobski

Well, are we talking over inflation based on vehicle specs, or tire specs? Pumping a tire up to max sidewall pressure is often over-inflated based on vehicle specs, but is still perfectly safe to drive on. Going beyond max sidewall pressure would be over-inflated according to both specs.

so what are people doing??? are they over inflating or inflating to max sidewall pressure? I guess I'm still confused

[R.I.D.E.]

The answer to your original question depends on the vehicle, and the variables could be extreeme. The better your mileage the greater the impact of additional engine loads.

Electricity here is cheap, less than 8 cents a kilowatt hour. The best engine will generate about 10 killowatts on 1 gallon per hour. Thats 80 cents an hour from the grid, or 4 dollars an hour at the pump.

Adding 40 pounds to your total vehicle weight of 3000 (approx) is insignificant.

You want to know the difference? Try it both ways and your question will be answered.

A decent battery will give you HHO for hours, not sure if the water in your generator will last that long.

regards
gary

[GasSavers_Ven]

Originally Posted by R.I.D.E.

The answer to your original question depends on the vehicle, and the variables could be extreeme. The better your mileage the greater the impact of additional engine loads.

Electricity here is cheap, less than 8 cents a kilowatt hour. The best engine will generate about 10 killowatts on 1 gallon per hour. Thats 80 cents an hour from the grid, or 4 dollars an hour at the pump.

Adding 40 pounds to your total vehicle weight of 3000 (approx) is insignificant.

You want to know the difference? Try it both ways and your question will be answered.

Also, my hydroxy generators are pretty low maintenance. I've been running them over 3 weeks now and they are all still full.
A decent battery will give you HHO for hours, not sure if the water in your generator will last that long.

regards
gary

Thanks for the reply. I know I need to get a deep cycle battery if I do this. You're right about taking power off the grid. It would be better to do this. Plus, I can always just charge the battery at work.

Also, I've been running these cells for over 3 weeks and they're still full.

[GasSavers_BEEF]

with tire pressure, most everyone I have talked to is putting to (or near) max side wall pressure. not over that level. there are a few that have pushed it a little over max side wall pressure but I am not willing to risk it.

the weight factor, I use myself as an example. I carpool with a friend to work and there are days when we must ride separate due to projects that we both have. I don't notice the difference when he is with me vs when he isn't (he weighs about 200 lbs) I do realize that there is a difference but I think it is so minute that it doesn't matter. in my application anyway. I wouldn't worry about the weight difference unless you were adding something stuid like 500 pounds or something.

also (and I am not trying to get in an arguement here) why not start a gas log? so many people claim gains with the HHO setup but very few have gas logs. if nothing else, you can keep up with your mileage and see trends. the graph on the gas log will show you a trend much better than raw numbers in a notebook.

and also, why have you replaced your clutch 3 times? I am not farmiliar with that trans but were they crap? did they have issues.

just curious.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by Ven

I misunderstood the concept of over inflation. The words are kind of deceptive. Shouldn't it just be considered proper inflation, or even "new inflations standard"?

Well, actually, "over inflation" is a very unclear term because people use it two different ways. One way it is used is to describe inflating the tire beyond the specifications on the car's recommended tire pressure/load label. The other way is to describe inflating beyond the maximum safe pressure rating stamped on the tire's sidewall.

My recommendation is always to experiment between those two numbers to find the best pressure for your preferred combination of handling, wear, soft ride, and economy (and I recommend sacrificing a minor amount of ride softness to gain in the other three areas). I do not recommend exceeding the tire's stamped maximum, not because I think it's going to fail, but because it is conceivable that after an accident caused by tire failure the insurance company could deny your claim.

Edit: On weight -- it's my observation that merely removing or adding weight has little effect unless you drive 100% dense city driving very aggressively and never coast. A lighter car can be driven that way at higher MPG because it can come from the factory with a smaller, more efficient engine or taller gears.