GM Sales of Hybrids Miserable

[RightontheMarc]

Originally Posted by Sludgy

Under Capitalism, no monopoly can last forever, because people find ways to work around them.

What makes you think we live in a capitalist society? Because you are told we do? Sure some capitalism goes on here (mom & pop/joint or single proprietor businesses) but its mostly feudal oligarchy where corporations own the labor(serfs) that work on their land. The corporations also limit and control the market unfairly. According to the original definition of capitalism, Capitalism is defined as an economic, political and social system based on private ownership of property, business and industry, where the owners are the workers who are engaged in making the greatest possible profits.

Lithiums are going to destroy Cobasys eventually.

Seems like the only lithiums available are the tiny ones. Take the Tesla Roadster for example which has thousands of small batteries to power it. How do you service those when several of them go bad? Lithiums have a high chance of going bad within just a couple years. My laptop is proof of that. The battery lasted about 3 years. The thing is Cobasys was able to build large scale batteries that could have fit in people's cars who could make their own electric cars. Yet being 60% controlling owned by Chevron and GM they were prevented from selling them.

Right now, the biggest threat to EVs, PHEVs and HEVs are governments.

And who do you think lobbies the bejeebers out of the government to threaten those things? Here's a hint half the Bush administration is in the big oil business. Bush himself was/is. (this should be obvious/common household knowledge for most of you).

Governments LOVE the gas tax. It's easy to tax gasoline

The gas tax pays for our roads, and not very well at that. The state with the highest tax on Gasoline is Hawaii at 53.5 cents per gallon. http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/st...tate_2002.html
The federal is 18.4 cents.
www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp
This is small potatoes compared to the cost of the crude. Even if they took off 72 cents a gallon the prices would still be over $3 a gallon. The oil companies/opec are deliberately limiting the production of crude inorder to rake in higher and higher profits from you.
http://www.click2houston.com/sh/auto...22-100251.html

For those who say the oil companies are not the one to blame are naive as hell. Those who say they are making the same profit margin of oft said "6% that they always have" seem to misunderstand that before when oil was $10 a barrel they were making .60 cents for every barrel. Now that it is $125 a barrel they are making $7.50 per barrel for billions of barrels. I mean let's stop bs-ing around here. According to the State Department's 323 page plan for Iraq's oil the Iraq war was designed specifically to destroy Opec's main competition.
http://www.gregpalast.com/bush-didnt...raq-you-fools/

"WMDs" and "terrorists" my arse.

Over 70,000 deaths, and over 1 million disabilities among American soldiers attributed to Iraq Wars says U.S. government data
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/hom.../21/02286.html

[Sludgy]

Originally Posted by RightontheMarc

Seems like the only lithiums available are the tiny ones.

The rest of your rant MIGHT approach credibility if you did SOME research on large format Lithiums.

Try Googling "Valence Technologoies", Saft, Johnson Controls and A123 Systems, and you'll see that there are a lot of companies making, or beginning to make big Lithium batteries.

And to further my point about monopolies, one company is even beginning to make the old lead-acid battery more energy dense using carbon foam. This battery will have an energy density better than NiMH. It's a spinoff company from a good old U.S.A. capitalist company, Caterpillar:

http://www.illinoisvc.org/pages/firefly/264.php

Maybe someone will make a battery from tinfoil. Then you can trade in your hat. (or, your cat's.)

[RightontheMarc]

Originally Posted by Sludgy

The rest of your rant MIGHT approach credibility if you did SOME research on large format Lithiums.

Try Googling "Valence Technologoies", Saft, Johnson Controls and A123 Systems, and you'll see that there are a lot of companies making, or beginning to make big Lithium batteries.

And to further my point about monopolies, one company is even beginning to make the old lead-acid battery

I guess like many of you who think being informed is a "rant" you just do not have the ability to think critically. Notice on each one of your statements you said BEGINNING. I said, available as in now. None of these are feasibly available NOW nor are ready for personal applications in gas to electric conversion. If they were AVAILABLE now companies like Tesla would be using them. There are also reliability issues which you did not address. Furthermore since I backed up my comments with documentation, it was all 100% credible. What you wrote on the other hand is just speculation.

What's more, is I am not arguing with you on the possibility of up and coming battery technology. I think it is excellent and I will be converting one of my cars to electric as soon as the engine dies (or sooner). I am just trying to get the facts straight on the other ridiculous things you wrote like implying the government is acting alone when limiting alternative (to oil) technologies. Oh yeah, and what part of the meaning of capitalism did you miss? Caterpillar owns it's workers right? You do understand that is feudalism don't you? This is why stock options were being offered in recent years by many companies so that employees could have part ownership in the companies and share in the profits as is more true to the meaning of capitalism. You know the English word.

[Sludgy]

[QUOTE=RightontheMarc;99701] What you wrote on the other hand is just speculation.

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There is NO speculation. If you had bothered to do the research on just the first battery manufacturer that I listed, you would see that these large format batteries are already for sale.

Thinking critically, you should have researched the facts before making stupid, incorrect statements.