Does Anyone In The United States Still Care About Fuel Economy?

[JockoT]

Most of it is taxes. They add tax, then even tax the tax!

[Airstreamer67]

Originally Posted by trollbait

The oil companies do get deals on well leases of government land, and a slog through the tax code will likely find oil only tax breaks.

Then there the externalities that capitalism and businesses factor into their costs. Even when they follow regulations, there are damages to the environment and public health that our cause by the oil industry. Those costs are born by others. Depending on whether you also include the costs of diplomatic and military interventions to keep oil producing regions "stable", the cost per gallon of gasoline would be $10 to $15 if the cost these externalities were paid by the oil company.

Yeah, too bad the government doesn't own the oil companies, like Venezuela, and Cuba. Socialism solves all their problems, because Social Justice is what counts. Paradise on earth. Ha.

[trollbait]

Originally Posted by Airstreamer67

Yeah, too bad the government doesn't own the oil companies, like Venezuela, and Cuba. Socialism solves all their problems, because Social Justice is what counts. Paradise on earth. Ha.

And also Saudi Arabia and Iran. They, and those others generally sell the fuel to their citizens for at or below cost. I remember Iran saw rioting a few years ago when they tried to increase gas prices.

Giving oil companies below market lease rates for mineral rights, and any corporation tax breaks is also socialism.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by cuts_off_prius

Does Anyone In The United States Still Care About Fuel Economy?

Hyundai was sued by leadfooters, who couldn't get 30MPG from the Elantra that was advertised as 40MPG, EPA highway. With our two automatic AND manual Elantras, 7 recent tanks in a row delivered between 41.88MPG & 43.4MPG, each delivered over 4 to 6 days & cool downs, which lowers MPG AND several small Elantra tanks over 500 miles. On this present warm to hot day, the manual Elantra trip computer indicated 59.5MPG over a 25 mile trip, which wasn't flat, including rolling hills as high as 400+ feet. I burn 100% ethanol-free gasoline(E0) & the trip computer is more accurate than when burning E10.

[Draigflag]

Anyone with the right attitude and will can get good economy if they so wish. It's a personal thing, sometimes it's fun to experiment, but then driving slowly and steadily can take alot of concentration and remove the fun out of driving, especially if you have a performance car. For me, despite fuel being hideously expensive, I rarely use my car (less that 4000 miles this year so far) so economy is not a priority. I prefer to enjoy and have fun everytime I push the start button. That's not to say I thrash the car, I normally just drive fairly sensibly, but I generally just don't think about my fuel economy.

Having said that, it is obviously easy to achieve high figures with little effort over short distances, but to maintain that level of concentration and patients over a tank would be extremely difficult for someone with a short attention span like myself. 60 MPG indicated is around 57 actual, which is the "unrealistic" extra urban figure achieved in the highly criticised NEDC lab tests. Remember this is a hot hatch tuned for performance with 270 bhp and big fat sticky tyres too. It can be done, and exceeded if you put your mind to it.

[JockoT]

I just completed my second year with my Jazz and managed 55.2 mpg(UK) over 8910 miles. Pretty happy with that.

[Fartblood]

I wonder how R.I.D.E. will feel about taxation when his house is under water due to climate change? The profligacy of the western nations is killing our planet, and when the resources are gone, they're gone for good.

And don't start me on World Police. What a load of bull. I served at GW1, and kicking Saddam out of someone else's sovereign nation was righteous enough. However, GW2 and the subsequent interventions has left the Middle East a destabilized powder keg, costing hundreds out thousands their lives, and depriving tens of millions of any kind of domestic security. Next time America feels like "policing" somewhere, please don't bother. We didn't ask for it, and don't want it. America isnt policing the World, but is merely looking after its own political, economic and strategic interests.

[Draigflag]

Originally Posted by Fartblood

I wonder how R.I.D.E. will feel about taxation when his house is under water due to climate change?

Thankfully don't have to worry about that guy (R.I.D.E) anymore, I requested he was banned after constant personal attacks and abusive comebacks that eventually lead to threatening other members with firearms. Just a very sad angry old man with deep frustrations, no place for anyone like that on a forum.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by Draigflag

driving slowly and steadily.....remove the fun out of driving//////... easy to achieve high figures(MPG?) with little effort over short distances....

Driving slowly & steadily doesn't remove the fun out of driving, if you drive in the lovely state of Washington.
It is easier for leadfooters to achieve low figures(MPG?) with little thought to changing their lifestyles, over long distances.
The people who waste fuel are the ones causing problems in the world. Featherfooters are the ones who........"ease on down the road".

[Draigflag]

Originally Posted by litesong

Driving slowly & steadily doesn't remove the fun out of driving, if you drive in the lovely state of Washington.
It is easier for leadfooters to achieve low figures(MPG?) with little thought to changing their lifestyles, over long distances.
The people who waste fuel are the ones causing problems in the world. Featherfooters are the ones who........"ease on down the road".

The older generation now have been driving fossil fueled cars for all thier lives, potentially some 55+ years. The way the electric revolution is happening, my entire driving career will see me driving an electric car for at least 40 years, so using fractional amounts of Dino juice now makes little difference to me at all