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11-02-2007, 07:08 AM
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SUV in that context is a symptom. Rationalize rampant SUV use better before you call me to task on some poetic licensing, eh?
to imply that it is oppulence and not just plain wastefullness is erroneous
to imply that anywhere near 10% of suvs are anywhere near fully utilized is erroneous.
to focus on verbiage instead of wastefulness is erroneous
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No new points made here worth specific comments ...need to let it rest ...or better yet, we will say that you win and make you feel better
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11-02-2007, 07:23 AM
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We are all part of a much larger picture, ignoring that fact is counter to intelligence.
Here in the land of the SUV we represent 5% of the worlds population and emit %25 of greenhouse gasses, just wait till china catches up with us. What example are we setting?
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Actually, the feeling is that China may have already caught up with us, or will do so this next year. Sounds like they need to no longer be given a break with climate treaties.... ;-)
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11-02-2007, 07:25 AM
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Back to the original point of the thread???
What is the budget of the person looking to buy the SUV? Might want to consider a Mercedes diesel SUV...gets pretty good MPG...or even a Jetta Diesel wagon...good hauling and very good FE.
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11-03-2007, 01:07 PM
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How about a Subaru Forrester. Get one with a manual and they do great. My mom went on a 4500 mile journey this summer and averaged 33 mpg mostly highway. Don't know if it's big enough for the restaurant stuff but it's been a very reliable and solid car.
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11-03-2007, 06:02 PM
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zpiloto -
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How about a Subaru Forrester. Get one with a manual and they do great. My mom went on a 4500 mile journey this summer and averaged 33 mpg mostly highway. Don't know if it's big enough for the restaurant stuff but it's been a very reliable and solid car.
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I think they also have a lower Center Of Gravity than "normal SUVs", so they're safer for all.
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11-03-2007, 06:40 PM
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zpiloto -
I think they also have a lower Center Of Gravity than "normal SUVs", so they're safer for all.
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If cargo capacity is a concern, the Forester is a good choice. It does have a lower center of gravity with the Flat-4 (rented a couple). Still AWD, though (if you need it). Plus the 5-speed helps...
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11-03-2007, 07:32 PM
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Forester is taller and shorter than the Outback.
Outback doesn't look like an SUV but might have same or more load capacity than the Forester.
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11-23-2007, 08:50 PM
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Lower center of gravity = better control.
If ya gotta gotta have 4wd get some kinda Subaru.
The smallest Subie you can fit your stuff into.
If ya gotta gotta have an SUV that means high off the ground and an air-battering front, which is bad for fuel economy unless you never get on the highway.
If ya gotta have an SUV then I'd vote for Rav4. Best safety statistics of the SUVs that I've been able to see. Ref. the IIHS studies of driver deaths per millions of registered vehicles. Also decent FE due to relatively small and 4-cyl.
Or maybe Ford Escape Hybrid.
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Currently getting +/- 50 mpg in fall weather. EPA is 31/39 so not too shabby. WAI, fuel cutoff switch, full belly pan, smooth wheel covers.
Now driving '97 Civic HX; tires ~ 50 psi. '89 Volvo 240 = semi-retired.
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I've heard bad things about that QR.
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Curious comment since your link says nothing about problems with that engine. Everything I've read about the 2.5 L in the 2014-2017 Rogues is positive. There were some tweaks to the newer years to improve the engine and fuel economy.
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01-10-2016, 07:46 PM
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Curious comment since your link says nothing about problems with that engine. Everything I've read about the 2.5 L in the 2014-2017 Rogues is positive. There were some tweaks to the newer years to improve the engine and fuel economy.
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The 2014-2017's didn't exist back then. This thread is from 2007.
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