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Originally Posted by basjoos
If aussie regulations regarding licence plate visibility is your only concern, then why don't you build a boattail onto your hatch that would cover the entire back of the car and would flip up with the hatch when you open it. Just mount your license and rear lights into the back of the boattail. Design it right and you could also considerably increase your interior storage space.
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That's what I would do if license plate visibility were my only concerns. Remember, I live in the city and my commute is at least half city (it's quite impressive that I'm achieving better than Australia's version of EPA rating for highway as well as city, for city I'm bettering it by about 40%.).
Other concerns are
-ability to park it easily in the city - one advantage of a kei car I've come to really appreciate.
-time/money calculation - the investment could easily be a week's worth of work.
-worries about lift generated by such a boattail. It's a light car, and the torque generated might be significant.
-crosswinds removing a lot of the benefit. As it is now, there is minimal area on the sides for a crosswind to affect
-I want to have things, once painted, eventually look, if not factory, at least competent aftermarket manufacturer-like.
My car is less an experiment in what can be achieved in fuel economy with no expense spared, than a synthesis of the practical and low hanging fruit in terms of payback periods and consumer acceptance. It is also a way to learn how to do this sort of things, hands on, in a car that is virtually a throwaway item. Considering the car cost about $4000k AUD, that's a year's depreciation with most other cars.
If I eventually decide on an experiment that is more "balls to the wall", I will probably be picking a car that is either already mostly optimized for drag such as the insight or the prius, having the bonus of safe, easy and zero fuel used in EOC. That way I can just do grille blocking, mirror removal, undertray, and front skirts. The only problem is that these cars already have the very tip of the rear facing horizontal, so it's not easy to extend via a boattail. In fact, to make it look professional would be a multiple of the price of any fuel saved.
Or: I will be picking a ute/convertible/something etc, that has the combination of overall low height, that height very close to the front and the back exceptionally low, in order to minimize total length. Think ford capri.
So thinking on this a bit more, I'd like to go further than I have in order to approach ultra low fuel consumption. But...
1. It must be similar in practicality to the parent vehicle.
2. It should conceivably be an investment with a fairly low payback period, 3 years at most.
3. Aesthetically, it should look somewhat professional.
One thing that must be investigated is if similar results to a boattail can be had by increasing the rear angle (shortening the boattail) and tripping the boundary layer into turbulence. If so, that might enlarge the range of vehicles that could be modified.
Practically, that means two things.
1. The vehicle must be modified to have as small a drag figure as possible.
2. The engine must have miniscule idle consumption at worst, or so-called mild hybrid capability for everything except stop start driving. Of course, regenerative braking is great with city driving, but a lot of that can be minimized with enough attention on stop lights.
The choice, as I see it, comes down to:
1. Accept the rear end of an insight or prius as given, seeing as modifying the rear as I would like is in the too hard basket, and just modify the things I can.
2. Go nuts with a capri, using a mild P&G with the relatively small engine it has.
3. Enlarge the circle of cars I'd be willing to look at a bit, and nut out all the hairy details of an aftermarket mild-hybrid conversion. Frankly, that looks difficult and expensive to get it to even the stage where it switches on and off and doesn't harm the engine when the throttle is below a certain point.
I suppose if I can start a trend or make it fashionable to have all the things that are currently considered stylistically ugly or unecessary (such as fender skirts, grille blocking, LHS mirror missing, etc), then maybe the auto makers will make something more extreme in terms of what the rear end suction is doing than the prius or insight.
Or maybe someone like JanGeo could help me out with option 3. Frankly, I need to measure my own car's idle fuel burn and evaluate the maths of P&G before I even seriously consider things.
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