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Old 07-21-2008, 02:32 PM   #1
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We don't lose water in the process of growing corn. The water ends up back into the air where it falls from. Same goes for using water for fuel.
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Old 08-18-2008, 06:49 AM   #2
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Does nobody have a problem using water or food sources for energy? It will be hard to drive anywhere on water if you are parched or hungry. They are finite sources of energy that are most important for thier intended use...substanance! Calling CORN a replentishable resource is falacious. It uses water and land resources that are at a premium. Solar power is on the opposite end of that spectrum...it comes from outside our planet. Wind power is generated from sources that also do not use up natural resources.
as long as the price of cornchips doesn't go up I'm all for it.
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Old 07-31-2008, 09:51 AM   #3
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I got the same engine 2.2 liter but better aero and actually worse trans and my last tank was 38+mpg bringing my average to over 35.
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Old 08-27-2008, 10:09 AM   #4
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For those who think our government isn?t aware of this technology (they call it hydrogen injection) here are a couple of links.

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/facts-resea...Vs-Nov2007.pdf

This document from the U. S. DOT is from 2007 and lists hydrogen injection as a viable source to increase gas mileage and reduce emissions, though they have taken a very conservative estimate.


http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...1977016170.pdf

Here is a NASA document from 1977, that talks about adding hydrogen injection to a gasoline-powered car to lean the consumption of fuel and reduce emissions.
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Old 09-04-2008, 10:24 AM   #5
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I just stumbled across this thread and wanted to jump in here and thank Road Warrior for his explanation (on page 1) of how it is possible to increase gas mileage using a HHO generator. It is the first time I have seen a logical explanation of how users seem to get something for nothing. It is the only logical answer - they don't. Please correct me if I'm misinterpreting what was said, but here's what I got out of it:

In order to generate the HHO, you need some extra power from the engine (to run the alternator). To get extra power from the engine, you step on the gas pedal a bit more which opens the throttle. Opening the throttle reduces pumping losses making the engine run more efficiently. So you use more gas, but not as much as you'd expect. You don't get the energy to make HHO for free, but for cheap. The HHO system makes fuel for the engine. There are energy losses in making the fuel (HHO), but these losses are more than offset by the increase in engine efficiency due to decreased pumping losses.

I didn't mean to make this a long post, but I just saw a potential problem with making this work in practice. My understanding is that the HHO is not stored but used as it is made. So let’s say you get onto the freeway and get to cruising speed. At first you will have to have your foot into it a bit more to run the alternator to make HHO. But as the HHO gets made and sent into the intake air stream the engine is getting extra fuel. So to keep your cruising speed you would need to back off of the throttle, thereby increasing pumping losses. Thus you are giving back some of the efficiency you gained.

Even so, I can see it being possible that there is still a net gain, especially considering the use of waste heat to facilitate the HHO generation process.

Just trying to get my head around this. Thanks to all the (constructive) posters for the help.
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Old 09-06-2008, 11:04 AM   #6
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I believe it was around the year 1990 Galileo was finally pardoned for his criminal charges from when he made the silly claim that the earth revolved around the sun.
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I believe it was around the year 1990 Galileo was finally pardoned for his criminal charges from when he made the silly claim that the earth revolved around the sun.
I don't remember that in the news.LOL
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Old 09-06-2008, 11:08 AM   #8
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In an HHO system you arent CREATING anything. Water is a reliable fuel source it just needs a little prep work to make it ready to use.
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Old 09-06-2008, 03:56 PM   #9
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Water is not a fuel source. Fuels have energy in them to extract. Water is already burnt, it's burnt hydrogen. To 'prep' it, or unburn it and make it into a fuel again, you have to put in energy to split it. The amount of energy you put in will ***always*** be greater than what you get out by burning it again, even if only by a very small amount. It isn't a theory, it's a scientific law that's been proven time and time again through careful observation and experimentation.
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not really sure how water is burnt, i think my sister has done it once or twice in an attempt to make dinner.

But if you wouldnt mind explaining i would gladly listen.
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