The New CRX (2011 CRZ)

[bowtieguy]

at first look, i'd like to have one, but FE in the 30s(hwy and city)? lame is an understatement! IT'S A HYBRID!!! 30ish mpg, give me a break!

http://cr-z.honda.com/?ef_id=1097:1:...20100729023227

[pgfpro]

Originally Posted by bowtieguy

at first look, i'd like to have one, but FE in the 30s(hwy and city)? lame is an understatement! IT'S A HYBRID!!! 30ish mpg, give me a break!

http://cr-z.honda.com/?ef_id=1097:1:...20100729023227

I'm not getting what Honda was trying to accomplish with this car? Its like it doesn't fit in either category Performance or FE-Hybrid? I like the body though.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by pgfpro

I'm not getting what Honda was trying to accomplish with this car? {...} I like the body though.

You're getting the point just fine (even if that was sarcasm).

BTG, where are you getting that "30ish" MPG number? I didn't see it in the specifications at that link.

[GasSavers_BEEF]

http://cr-z.honda.com/specifications/

here are the specs for it

CR-Z [1]




- 1.5-liter SOHC i-VTEC 4-cylinder engine with Integrated Motor Assist (IMA)

- 122 horsepower (estimated) @ 6000 rpm (combined engine + IMA)

- 128 lb-ft. of torque (estimated) @ 1,000 – 1,500 rpm (123 lb-ft. for CVT), (combined engine + IMA)

- AT-PZEV CARB Emissions Rating

- EPA Estimated Fuel Economy, CVT (City/Highway/Combined): 35/39/37 miles per gallon [2]

- EPA Estimated Fuel Economy, MT (City/Highway/Combined): 31/37/34 miles per gallon [2]
- Overall Vehicle Length x Width x Height (in): 160.6 x 68.5 x 54.9 (including antenna)

- Wheelbase (in.): 95.8

- Weight (lbs., preliminary estimates): Approximately 2,670 (MT) to 2,725 (CVT)

- 3-Mode Drive System (Sport/Normal/ECON)

- Eco Assist™ System

- 6-Speed Manual Transmission (standard)

- Continuously Variable Transmission (CVT) with Paddle Shifter System (available)

- Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) Body Structure

- Vehicle Stability Assist™ (VSA?) with Traction Control

- Automatic Climate Control

- 16-inch Alloy Wheels

- Tilt and Telescopic Steering Column

- Security System with Remote Entry

- Cruise Control

- 160-Watt AM/FM/CD Audio System with MP3/windows with MP3/Windows Media? Audio (WMA) playback capability and 6 Speakers [3]

- MP3/Auxiliary Input Jack

- USB Audio Interface [4]

[Jim T.]

"snort!"
Traction assist with 122hp?
Why bother?

[Wyldesoul]

Originally Posted by Jim T.

"snort!"
Traction assist with 122hp?
Why bother?

Mostly because the stability control is legally required in all vehicles 2012 and later, and well... Traction control really is just a component of stability control.

[Jim T.]

Originally Posted by Biffmeistro

Mostly because the stability control is legally required in all vehicles 2012 and later, and well... Traction control really is just a component of stability control.

Welcome to the nanny-state where even idiots can learn to drive!

[Wyldesoul]

Actually.....

At a comparable scale (Adjusted for the method of MPG calculation of 2008), the 1986 CRX Si (The most efficient Si CRX of all), got 26 city, 30 highway.

The manual CR-Z gets 31/37.

As far as performance goes, yes, the 91 CRX Si has a 0-60 of about 8.5 vs Edmunds test of 8.8 on the CR-Z, so it does have the miniscule advantage there, but the CRX Si could only pull .81g on the skidpad vs .83 for the CR-Z, with the CR-Z posting a 61.4mph slalom vs a 61.0 for the CRX.

So... Perfomance wise, these two cars are, near as makes no difference, Identical.

And yet the CR-Z gets better City MPG than the CRX did highway. Heck, even when you take the 1991 EPA ratings, the CR-Z still trashes it. Originally, the CRX Si was rated at 28/33.

So yes, the CR-Z IS a hyper efficient CRX Si. Meeting it in every performance category, and beating it in every FE category.



And when you think of it not as a hybrid, but as a performance car, it still is the most efficient performance car you can get, at all.

According to the EPA site, fort 2011 cars:
The current highest MPG "Sporty" car is the Audi A5 at 23/30.
The current highest MPG "Coupe" is the A5 quattro at 21/31
The current highest MPG "Hatchback" is the Aveo at 27/35

Heck, the only current non-hybrid gasoline cars that get better MPG are the new Fiesta and the Smart.



Yes, it is a hyper efficient sporty car. It is the most fuel efficient sporty car EVER made.

I do challenge you, find a sport oriented car that has ever had EPA mpg ratings higher than it, and you can even use the manual EPA ratings to make it easier. (Edit: It has to be in the USA, of course. No cheating by using nations with lax emissions regulations)

Edit: So far the closest thing I could find for a "sporty" type of car would be the Mini Cooper, and even that only is able to match the highway FE of the CR-Z, but not even touch the City MPG. 28/37

[Wyldesoul]

The hybrid aspect gives the CR-Z a much better city mpg, and once more that is where it shines. The auto is the one that defeats the CR-Z, and then only the manual, because the auto CR-Z defeats the auto fiesta soundly in MPG, especially city.

Yes, you can get MUCH sportier cars than the CR-Z that only get marginally less MPG then the CR-Z, and with a much lower price tag, etc...

But the CR-Z is doing it's job very well.

It wasn't designed as a car to be a the new high performing subcompact, and it wasn't designed as a high MPG hybrid.




The CR-Z exists for one purpose:

To show that Hybrids can be sporty.

[1993CivicVX]

Hope no one mines me reviving this thread.

Does anyone else see a problem with comparing this to a car from 1986?

As far as your most fuel efficient sporty car comparo, you forgot the Mini Cooper S. 27/36mpg with what, 172hp? Plus, I'm pretty sure the Cooper S has back seats. Honda shoulda added 20hp to this thing. 8.8 seconds isn't exactly... sporty. Somehow it just can't be justified for a two seater.

Originally Posted by Biffmeistro

Actually.....

At a comparable scale (Adjusted for the method of MPG calculation of 2008), the 1986 CRX Si (The most efficient Si CRX of all), got 26 city, 30 highway.

The manual CR-Z gets 31/37.

As far as performance goes, yes, the 91 CRX Si has a 0-60 of about 8.5 vs Edmunds test of 8.8 on the CR-Z, so it does have the miniscule advantage there, but the CRX Si could only pull .81g on the skidpad vs .83 for the CR-Z, with the CR-Z posting a 61.4mph slalom vs a 61.0 for the CRX.

So... Perfomance wise, these two cars are, near as makes no difference, Identical.

And yet the CR-Z gets better City MPG than the CRX did highway. Heck, even when you take the 1991 EPA ratings, the CR-Z still trashes it. Originally, the CRX Si was rated at 28/33.

So yes, the CR-Z IS a hyper efficient CRX Si. Meeting it in every performance category, and beating it in every FE category.



And when you think of it not as a hybrid, but as a performance car, it still is the most efficient performance car you can get, at all.

According to the EPA site, fort 2011 cars:
The current highest MPG "Sporty" car is the Audi A5 at 23/30.
The current highest MPG "Coupe" is the A5 quattro at 21/31
The current highest MPG "Hatchback" is the Aveo at 27/35

Heck, the only current non-hybrid gasoline cars that get better MPG are the new Fiesta and the Smart.



Yes, it is a hyper efficient sporty car. It is the most fuel efficient sporty car EVER made.

I do challenge you, find a sport oriented car that has ever had EPA mpg ratings higher than it, and you can even use the manual EPA ratings to make it easier. (Edit: It has to be in the USA, of course. No cheating by using nations with lax emissions regulations)

Edit: So far the closest thing I could find for a "sporty" type of car would be the Mini Cooper, and even that only is able to match the highway FE of the CR-Z, but not even touch the City MPG. 28/37