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Must just be a massive coincidence then proven by several countries Worldwide. Here, School shootings dropped by er...100%, gun crime dropped to almost zero, and violent crime, not related to firearms, dropped by 73% since the gun ban too. It just shows, people are significantly less challenging, provocative and aggressive knowing there are no firearms to deal with by either party.

Anyway, enough factual evidence, no one seems to care much about that anyway

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Kennesaw and Morton Grove. Complete evidence with numbers fully supporting the actual facts. But nobody cares about that.

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How Switzerland Developed a Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com

Maybe the Swiss like the idea of individual responsibility more than becoming the whipping boys of European dictatorships.

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I guess its hard for you guys to compare, as you've only lived in the US where guns laws haven't changed. For me, living in a country that had issues with firearms, and seeing them banned, its much more safer and peaceful.

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If guns truly were the problem Switzerland would be an absolute disaster. It isn't the guns, it's society. You think taking all the guns away from the USA is going to work magic. It isn't. It's the same society. The same criminals will continue unchanged using knives, clubs and who knows what. Until the "progressives" are silenced and not allowed to make victims out of criminals and criminals out of victims nothing will change other than the methods and weapons used. Go visit Switzerland sometime. You'll see what's possible when inanimate objects aren't used as scapegoats for society's failings.

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Originally Posted by R.I.D.E.

How Switzerland Developed a Gun Culture That Works | TIME.com

Maybe the Swiss like the idea of individual responsibility more than becoming the whipping boys of European dictatorships.

Actually, it is more the opposite of individual responsibility. For the Swiss it is more a responsibility to the group and security of their country. Keeping firearms in the home wasn't about protecting oneself and family, nor providing food. This is a country where every able bodied male is drafted into the army, and those trained soldiers may have to engage an invader before they even reach their assigned post.

"One of the reasons the crime rate in Switzerland is low despite the prevalence of weapons — and also why the Swiss mentality can’t be transposed to the current American reality — is the culture of responsibility and safety that is anchored in society and passed from generation to generation.
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“Social conditions are fundamental in deterring crime,” says Peter Squires, professor of criminology and public policy at the University of Brighton in Great Britain, who has studied gun violence in different countries and concluded that a “culture of support” rather than focus on individualism, can deter mass killings.

“If people have a responsible, disciplined and organized introduction into an activity like shooting, there will be less risk of gun violence,” he tells TIME."

The cultures of our country is just too different, but if Switzerland is going to be held up as an example of gun ownership done right, would the gun lobby support how they do things?

Their draft involves mental health screening as part of determintation for fitness. Those that don't pass likely are excluded from gun ownership as a history of mental illness. Would the gun lobby be okay for such screening for everyone that applies for a firearms permit? Would they be okay with no concealed carry, and a limit of 3 guns only for each permitted individual?

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Ok, so if you identify that "the people" or "society" is the problem, do you not think the if, as you say, the American people are evidently more likely to commit a crime or a murder with a firearm, that such weapons should still be as easily available as they are currently?

When we identify a country that has nuclear, chemical or weapons of mass destruction that we feel they are "more likely" to use, we intervene don't we? Gun crime stats are off the scale and beyond compared with other developed countries, even those with lots of guns like Switzerland. Other countries don't have the issues so intervention isn't required on such a drastic scale.

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Yes, because I and the many many millions of good citizens shouldn't be punished for the actions of the thousands of bad ones. And the Swiss culture could be taught here and brought back. We had it and liberals erased it. Eliminate the problem. Don't punish those not guilty.

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Or are you ready to give up your vehicle in the name of overall safety? You may never drive drunk or high but some people do. So are you willing to give up your vehicle for a total ban so the X% who do will be stopped even though it means YY% completely innocent also lose their vehicles? Substitute swimming pools or anything else you want that causes harm and death to society. And we all know the answer is No you won't give up your whatever it is. That's only a viable option when it infringes on someone else, not you. That's common human nature.

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But you're comparing proven useful appliances which have completey different primary uses, with a firearm, which is, when used for its primary function is to seriously injured and/or kill. Not a fair comparison.

There are lots of things that have been banned, which can be used safely and recreationaly but have still been banned for the saftey of the users and others around them. I know a lot of people that use illegal drugs for example and enjoy doing so, but they have been banned because of "safety" concerns. Mobile phones whilst driving is another example. Smoking in confined public spaces, the list goes on and on. All these examples are probably responsible for less deaths/injuries than firearms.