Fuelly tracking electrical charges

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Originally Posted by Draigflag

It's just as easy to track as regular fuel, it tells you how many kw you put in the batter, and the cost per charge, it should be easy to implement it into an app like fuelly.

Talking of charging, has anyone seen the price of electrons at Tesla superchargers now? 61 pence per KW...that means £60 to charge an S with a 100 KWH battery, or $75 US dollars. Ouch...

How much would the gas cost for a comparable ICE car?

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Chevrolet just announced a $6k price reduction on the Bolt. It has a few significant pluses in comparison and is now affordable. I'm looking at those instead. I've barely learned anything so far, and a little uncertain on what I have learned, but I think a wild average guess is 4 miles / kwh so in theory that would be $75 for 400 miles. I'm not up enough on EU fuel prices, consumption etc. so I'll leave it to you guys over there to do the ciphering and come up with a gas cost for 400 miles.

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Originally Posted by trollbait

How much would the gas cost for a comparable ICE car?

A similar sized diesel would be cheaper per mile in fuel (15p per mile Vs Tesla's 20p per mile estimate) but then that's just using the superchargers, there are many other chargers at half, if not a third of that price. Plus the diesel wouldn't have the performance of the Tesla.

Worth noting that there are even higher costs per KW/h, ionity for example charge 69 ppkwh, meaning it would cost $87 to charge a large battery EV for 280 miles of range. Not sure how that compares to running a gas gussler over there.

The difference in price to charge still varies vastly, whereas refuelling with fossil fuels only has a few pence difference in prices.

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Originally Posted by Draigflag

refuelling with fossil fuels only has a few pence difference in prices.

And that is just yesterday to today!

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Originally Posted by Draigflag

A similar sized diesel would be cheaper per mile in fuel (15p per mile Vs Tesla's 20p per mile estimate) but then that's just using the superchargers, there are many other chargers at half, if not a third of that price. Plus the diesel wouldn't have the performance of the Tesla.

Worth noting that there are even higher costs per KW/h, ionity for example charge 69 ppkwh, meaning it would cost $87 to charge a large battery EV for 280 miles of range. Not sure how that compares to running a gas gussler over there.

The difference in price to charge still varies vastly, whereas refuelling with fossil fuels only has a few pence difference in prices.

In the before times, Supercharger costs would be comparable to using premium gas in a performance oriented car. Superchargers are the cheapest fast DC charging network in most cases. Not having much luck finding Tesla's current rates; it varies by state, and even within one. In some locals, only an electric utility can directly charge for a kWh, so EV chargers have to go by the minute, which makes direct comparisons a little difficult.

Most people only use these fast chargers on longer trips though. Slower charging at home is much cheaper. Some EVs may never see a public charger.

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It may only be the superchargers that have been allocated for charging any car, Tesla decided the 15 least used charging stations, one of which is local to me just 36 miles away, should be open to all makes of car due to lack of use. Maybe they bumped the prices up to profit from this idea? But like you say, most people just top up here, and use thier own electricity or charge at work.

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We have some locations that are no charge for recharging, pun intended. The mall about 1.5 miles from my home has about 10 free charging points scattered about. I'm sure they figure enough people will go in and shop or eat at one of the restaurants to more than pay the cost. Being a huge consumer I don't know what sort of special plan they may have. Our just another in the million homes scattered about Houston rate is about 13c/kWH compared to I think they say about 40c average at charging stations.

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The local grocery store just got a couple of 'free' chargers installed. The name of the network eludes me at the moment, but the units of big screens. So ads help pay for it.

You have to sign up with the network, and they do charge once you go over a kWh limit, or remain parked for too long. Mostly it seems to be to discourage abuse. They do have DC chargers in the network, but 50kW only.

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I am seriously considering the new Vauxhall Astra Plug-in Hybrid.
It will do about 40 miles in EV mode, double what I would need for 90% of my mileage.
I can charge it in my drive (the charger can be added to the overall finance package).
It has an eight-year battery warranty (if I last another eight years I will be delighted).

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Originally Posted by JockoT

I am seriously considering the new Vauxhall Astra Plug-in Hybrid.
It will do about 40 miles in EV mode, double what I would need for 90% of my mileage.
I can charge it in my drive (the charger can be added to the overall finance package).

Based on the new 308, which in opinion is a far better looking car especially the interior, but probably costs a premium because it's more desirable. I too would suit a plug in, as 90% of my journeys are short urban trips, I just hate the fact that on longer journey's you get bad fuel economy with dead batteries as you're lugging all that weight around, and the handling of these cars is questionable due to so much weight in the rear of the car. Other than that, I quite fancy one. Sadly the quickest 308 has 225 bhp, my petrol head won't let me pay thousands more for a car with less power unfortunately.