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Old 12-13-2005, 04:03 PM   #1
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The Truth about Gas

Originally from: The Truth About Cars.com
13 October 2005
By William Sargant

Fellow enthusiasts and SUV salesmen fear not: gasoline will be cheap again within a year or two. The price will return to the $1.00 - $1.50 range, just like it was back in December of ‘02. How could this be? Start with this: if high gas prices were solely and inexorably linked to the price of oil, why are there still enough cheap plastic toys to keep your local Dollar Store in business? Why have disposable diapers, polyester pillows, Tupperware, hula hoops, toy dump trucks and other petroleum-based products not jumped to three times the price, too? Because they’re not subject to the same political and economic pressures affecting gasoline.

When voters elect the latest gladhander to their municipal and state governments, the chemical makeup of the gas down at their local pump is not usually high on their list of priorities. BUT if you’re an agricultural activist who wants to sell corn to the government to produce Ethanol, or an environmentalist who believes you possess the magic formula for reducing baby-killing smog in western cities, well, that’s a different story. These groups are extremely effective at lobbying government at the state and local level to create a "boutique" gasoline formula to further their cause. As a result, Missouri gas isn’t good enough to burn in California, whose gas cannot legally be sold in New York City or parts of Arizona.

According to Michael Ports of the Society of Independent Gasoline Marketers of Americas, "Twenty years ago, there were two blends of gasoline offered in three octane levels, and essentially one blend of diesel fuel. Today, there are more than 18 unique blends of gasoline mandated across the nation -- again offered in three octane grades -- and at least three different blends of diesel fuel." Okay, let’s do the math. I make it... 59 different blends of gasoline spread out over 50 states. Just to make things that much more complicated, no one refinery produces all 59 blends of gas; nor is any refinery typically dedicated to any one grade.

OK, let's say a particular blend of gas for the Atlanta area is made in, oh, Louisiana and Mississippi. And let’s further imagine that a Category 4ish storm named something like Katrina pounds through the area, heavily damaging the refineries, destroying their ability to blend Atlantagas. So, all Atlanta has to do is call up Florida and ask for some Orlandogas, right? Well, no. Turns out the closest supplier of that particular formula of gas might be somewhere like... Europe. Until some big boats brimming with Atlanta-friendly gas cross the pond, load up a few thousand tank trucks and deliver the requisite blend, the local population is forced by legislative fiat to ponder pump prices hovering around $5.57 a gallon.

What’s more, all three octane levels of Atlantagas are all likely to have unique chemical constituents that the other 56 official blends do not. Those ingredients must be transported to the refinery. Some of them, such as Ethanol, may have special production and handling requirements, which adds time, effort and, of course, money to the equation. By the time a new refinery is ready to make Atlantagas somewhere else in the country, the original refineries may start trickling back on-line. The producer must weigh the simple advantages of riding out the storm. If they’re really unlucky, another storm (call it Rita) could be heading towards the new refining location.

Speculation is another factor adding to the recent gas price fluctuations. Back when gas was $2.00 a gallon, industry experts speculated that speculation was adding five to seven cents to a gallon of gas. In the wake of hurricanes, the “investor effect” has been both more volatile and more pronounced. Basically, some heavily moneyed folks are betting against The Truth About Oil; they’re making a short-term gamble that the price of oil will keep going up. Because this strategy has been successful in recent years, more commodities investors are doing it, which inflates the demand (and price) of oil (and gas).

These factors blend together (so to speak) to create a sub-economy so complex it takes a Congressional inquiry or four to prove that "big oil" is not guilty of price gouging. Although scoring political points seems to be our elected officials’ official business, Congress would be better advised to simplify the regulatory chaos surrounding US gas production and distribution. I'm all for clean air, but there is no way that 59 different formulas of gas are necessary to accomplish this laudable goal. Picking a winning formula, even if it is more expensive to begin with, would help prevent supply and distribution problems. During times of crisis, the ability to borrow a cup of premium unleaded from your neighbor would be a strong force against severe price fluctuations, speculation and gouging.
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Old 12-14-2005, 04:33 PM   #2
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OK, I agree that the different blends can attribute to the price of gasoline to a degree, but when you have a corporation that just made $9-Billion (with a B) in PROFIT (Exxon/Mobil), then I have to respectfully, and heavily disagree with your article's argument that the different blends are to blame for prices. Big Oil is what it is, and they have us in tight spot. We need to reduce our dependency on it -- foreign or domestic. Until then, they'll collectively set prices to make record profits for their stockholders. We're at this site to get better gas mileage for a variety of reasons, and saving money is one of them.

I will agree that a uniform blend is necessary, but that's only a drop in the collective bucket.

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I understood it to mean the prime method they are using to drive up prices is the easy creation of scarcity. They are controlling the whole arena. The supposed "environmentalists" lobbied congress to create "regional" formulation. The govt and Big Oil complied. Now we have 59 unneeded formulations in the US and when bad weather or supposed "stressed" refinery's break, they have an EXCUSE to raise the price.

You know Big Oil knows that the customers NEED it, so they are just taking advantage of that. It's our fault for letting these entities get so large they can do whatever they want. Crazy days.

And Yes we Need to reduce our dependency on it.

Yes, we're here to save money.

P.S.~I guess there really can't be any discussion on this article, really just an FYI.
Will the "out of control" corporations relenquish the other energy technologies they "buy" and hide from the world? No, prolly not. They will just super secretly test,withold and refine those technologies until they are MORE profitable than oil and gas. The automobile corporations are just as guilty BTW;
FYI back in 1974 my Father worked for Chrysler fuel system engineering and HONDA had taken a Chrysler big block engine and achieved 100MPG, then presenting the prototype to Chrysler. Immediately Chrysler bought all the blueprints, the engine and the car from Honda, never to be seen again.


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FYI back in 1974 my Father worked for Chrysler fuel system engineering and HONDA had taken a Chrysler big block engine and achieved 100MPG, then presenting the prototype to Chrysler. Immediately Chrysler bought all the blueprints, the engine and the car from Honda, never to be seen again.
You speak of the CVCC heads that Honda built as a prototype for Chrysler [I thought it was for a Chevy Impala though, hm] that proved better mileage and lower emissions could be achieved even for big bad V8 America.
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You prolly have the details right.
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I understood it to mean the prime method they are using to drive up prices is the easy creation of scarcity. They are controlling the whole arena. The supposed "environmentalists" lobbied congress to create "regional" formulation. The govt and Big Oil complied. Now we have 59 unneeded formulations in the US and when bad weather or supposed "stressed" refinery's break, they have an EXCUSE to raise the price.

You know Big Oil knows that the customers NEED it, so they are just taking advantage of that. It's our fault for letting these entities get so large they can do whatever they want. Crazy days.

And Yes we Need to reduce our dependency on it.

Yes, we're here to save money.

P.S.~I guess there really can't be any discussion on this article, really just an FYI.
Will the "out of control" corporations relenquish the other energy technologies they "buy" and hide from the world? No, prolly not. They will just super secretly test,withold and refine those technologies until they are MORE profitable than oil and gas. The automobile corporations are just as guilty BTW;
FYI back in 1974 my Father worked for Chrysler fuel system engineering and HONDA had taken a Chrysler big block engine and achieved 100MPG, then presenting the prototype to Chrysler. Immediately Chrysler bought all the blueprints, the engine and the car from Honda, never to be seen again.

Yeah, I agree the formulation game is a great excuse to drive up prices, and I'm sure it does cut into their profit margin.

I've heard of the Honda/Impala connection of the 70's -- I did some research on it, and it basically had the engine running so hot and lean that detonation would have eventually blew the engine to pieces. It's too bad, cuz of the energy crisis. It seems like history happens, and we don't learn from it or care to remember it. I did enjoy your article -- very informative and information that definitely needs to be known.

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interesting take on yet another factor influencing the price of fuel.
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Originally from: The Truth About Cars.com


I'm afraid your link is faulty. Did you intend to reference an article from 13 October 2005?
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my reference was to the OP's text, not his link. i assume everything was/is in order compared to the outdated link.
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