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[LDB]

and cheap. Very cheap.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/owne...b3044bbe&ei=42

[JockoT]

You wouldn't want to go out on the road in any of them. Probably couldn't get insurance here in the UK.

[LDB]

I don't know that they'd be insurable here either. I'd consider one for around town where my "long trips" are 4.x miles round trip. A few would be fun to have and get the looks from others. But nothing more than the 35mph tops around town.

[Draigflag]

An American YouTuber bought the little white truck, I watched the series of it arriving from China in a crate, unboxing and driving it about etc. By the time he's paid all the taxes etc it came in at something stupid like $8000, which you can get a full sized truck for. It wasn't even road legal. Huge waste of money and resources which will end up in landfill in a year or two.

[trollbait]

Today's $8000 truck would probably also end up scrapped in a year or two.

That $8000 is less than half what a low speed EV available here would cost.
https://www.gemcar.com/gem-el-xd/

[Draigflag]

Why bother, you can get almost X3 used leafs with around 80k on the clock for that now ha.

[LDB]

Originally Posted by Draigflag

Why bother, you can get almost X3 used leafs with around 80k on the clock for that now ha.

With a going on 12 year old battery I don't think I'd pay over $989 for one.

[Draigflag]

Originally Posted by LDB

With a going on 12 year old battery I don't think I'd pay over $989 for one.

Depends on how many bars is left, the leaf slowly looses battery bars as it degrades, so the range is probably still better than those cheap ones in the article, and the range may be adequate for short trips. With that mileage, I doubt it's been rapid charged much either, if at all. Not even sure if leafs this age could even take rapid charge?

[trollbait]

CHAdeMO may have been just an option back then.

Concerning the battery. Leafs in general lose more capacity than BEVs with better cooling systems. I wouldn't be surprised if the example above is down 30%. An issue with buying a used one in the US is in where it spent its previous life. One from Arizona could have severely heat stressed battery without any DC charging. 2011 is also old enough to not have the upgraded, more robust battery.

Then there is the age. Li-ion capacity loss follows a general trend. There is some quick in the first couple years; up to 10%. Which is followed by a period of nearly a decade of a steady plateau where the loss is very minimal; virtually zero for some. After that period, it goes into another slope of decline. At least that is in the lab, very few BEVs on the road have reached that point yet.

[Draigflag]

The model S with 600,000 miles is on it's 3rd battery, so even with heavy charging and discharging, 200,000 miles should be the minimum you'd expect per battery. As most people will never do such miles, age will get a hold more than charge cycles. Even then, I'd expect 150,000 miles minimum.