Read it and weep

[Sludgy]

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...pStories_ssi_5

[GasSavers_BEEF]

that sucks. I would get one if I were in europe

[dkjones96]

I would TOTALLY buy that car!

Looks like that design is coming over here to replace the current Focus. I think I may hold out on the new car for a bit! Even if it is gas that car is kinda slick!

[dieselbenz]

I would never buy a dirty diesel like that when the fuel costs 25% more than gasoline. I would be much more impressed with a gasoline engine that gets 52mpg.

[DarbyWalters]

Originally Posted by tjts1

I would never buy a dirty diesel like that when the fuel costs 25% more than gasoline. I would be much more impressed with a gasoline engine that gets 52mpg.

Uneducated opinions like that are why they will not come to the USA. Diesel technology has made Diesel burn as clean or better than gasoline. A Diesel Hybrid would be the best combo available right now...then a small diesel...then a gasoline hybrid...then a gas sipper.

[dieselbenz]

Originally Posted by DarbyWalters

Uneducated opinions like that are why they will not come to the USA. Diesel technology has made Diesel burn as clean or better than gasoline. A Diesel Hybrid would be the best combo available right now...then a small diesel...then a gasoline hybrid...then a gas sipper.

Oh really? Have you looked into the component cost of a diesel particulate filter lately? Do you know the difference between T2B5 vs LEV, SULEV and PZEV in terms of start up NOx emissions? How about the effect of a continued start stop cycle on a diesel particulate filter and NOx trap in something like... oh i don't know a diesel electric hybrid?
The sad truth is its more expensive to clean up the exhaust of a diesel to meet California emissions than to build a hybrid. Add in the 25% premium for fuel and all of a sudden diesel is toast in America. Most of the industry gets it. VW and Mercedes are losing money on the TDIs and CDIs bringing into the country today. They are hoping and praying that if they can establish brand name for themselves to the point where TDI is synonymous for diesel in the general public's mind, by the time the cost of exhaust after treatment comes down they'll have an established market share in this country. Unfortunately just like catalytic converters, diesel particulate filters use precious metals. You can cut down on the use of precious metals and improve long term reliability with chemical after treatment. But when you add up the cost of all the emissions control devices ( temp sensors, O2 sensors, 2 catalytic converters, particulate trap and Addblue tank and hoses etc.) the cost becomes astronomical. This is on top of the cost of the engine itself and the $100 a pop piezo injectors. The rest of the ECU, wiring and sensors for a diesel engine are on par with gasoline engines. Even turbos are cheap these days.

You know the "bean counters" that everyone likes to hate whenever a car interior looks too cheap or an engine option doesn't make it to America? I'm one of them.

[GasSavers_BEEF]

the fact is we won't see a car that gets 52mpg in the states, nor will we see this car in the states.

and diesel only runs 15-20% higer around here. gas hit over 4 at the max (I think it was 4.25) but diesel never hit 5. not around here that I remember

[dieselbenz]

Originally Posted by BEEF

the fact is we won't see a car that gets 52mpg in the states, nor will we see this car in the states.

and diesel only runs 15-20% higer around here. gas hit over 4 at the max (I think it was 4.25) but diesel never hit 5. not around here that I remember

48 city, 58 highway, 52 combined.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/2008c...f.jsp?id=21632
This is on the realistic EPA cycle. Not he fantasy football euro cycle.

[almightybmw]

I will not weep. I'll just move countries.

[Lug_Nut]

That's fine by me. Fewer diesels here means more diesel fuel supply. More diesel fuel supply means less pressure on the biodiesel supply I prefer.
You go on driving your 58 mpg gasoline-electric Insight and I'll drive my 50 mpg (50.224 on a recent 900 mile trip) 2005 Passat wagon on B100.
Want to compete on a total (including greenhouse gas) gram per mile emission rate? You'll need to get the gasoline powered vehicle up to 200 mpg to be greener.
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