Read it and weep

[Big Dave]

Dealer cost on the DPF for a Ford diesel is $4500.

Thank you, EPA for killing the diesel in the US.

[GasSavers_BEEF]

yes but for that extra cost don't you get better gas mileage and twice the torque?

I agree that the diesel upgrade for most trucks is pricey but to see the long term gains from it, you have to pay the premium price

[Cruzedriver]

Yeah i agree over the life time of the vehicle it is worth it to spend that extra money but if you are just going to have it for a little bit say a lease then it is up to you whether it is worth it or not. But if you want your car to last a long time i would definately recommend a diesel. So worth the extra money

[GasSavers_BEEF]

leases are just a bad idea in general. give a dealer 2 or 3k to rent their vehicle for sometimes as little as 2 years. all of that "due at signing" fees really turn me off to any sort of lease.

some companies were doing it so you didn't have the initial start up cost which was better.

[Cruzedriver]

yeah my dads friend sells/leases dumptrucks to people and he says he makes three times as much on a lease as he does a sale.

[Lug_Nut]

I like leases.
I mean, I like that other people lease. I bought my '05 TDI when the prior 'user', who had been depreciating it as a business expense went over miles and couldn't take any more business deduction, so he turned it in, took the early cancellation penalty (just another business deduction), and leased an '08. The leasing company got their hi-mile money, early termination money and had no use for the car. I bought it cheap, really cheap.

[Cruzedriver]

That is as good of reason as any to like a lease. thats awesome congrats on your good deal

[GasSavers_BEEF]

I was more talking about the people that lease the vehicles but that does bring up a good point.

like buying program vehicles. usually less than 10K on the dial and used to be a lot less than the sticker.

[bowtieguy]

Originally Posted by theholycow

Mainly I see the rest of the vehicle falling apart before the engine, which makes me wonder why anyone would care to have an engine that can last a million miles.

here's a good reason...

http://www.wayodd.com/man-finally-ge...le-car/v/6031/

i couldn't find the rest of the story, but a radio program locally claimed the car was in great operating condition but no longer safe to drive(frame falling apart). also, it was the original drivetrain(no rebuilds) run on amsoil since break-in.

[Ranana_Zess]

rnIt saddens me to think how far and how fast we have slid.
rnI wonder what it will take to wake this country up. I mean if folks are not mad now are we done as a free country?rn