Hydrogen Booster Installed ...

[cfg83]

Hello -

This is a lonnnnnngggggggg term project, because I am going to be incrementally adding the components and seeing what happens. Here is the hydrogen booster from hydrogen-boost.com, installed in front of the front driver's wheel. The white plastic tube is the water trap for catching booster overflow :




This is the simple wiring relay, bolted above the front driver's wheel :




This the hydrogen output tube exiting into the airbox (it has since been routed vertically, closer to the filter) :




This is the Ammeter with the on-switch on the right :




CarloSW2

[skewbe]

I hate to be the one to tell you this Carlos... the energy required to extract the hydrogen is greater than the energy recovered. Neither the extractor or the engine are %100 efficient.

[Ted Hart]

Originally Posted by skewbe

I hate to be the one to tell you this Carlos... the energy required to extract the hydrogen is greater than the energy recovered. Neither the extractor or the engine are %100 efficient.

Now, now ! Don't be telling the man textbook "bits & pieces"!
cfg83, if you'll contact me (via PM), I'll tell you what I've found about water VAPOR injection systems. There is an engine "change" you have to make when extracting this power.
-Ted Hart

[cfg83]

skewbe-

Originally Posted by skewbe

I hate to be the one to tell you this Carlos... the energy required to extract the hydrogen is greater than the energy recovered. Neither the extractor or the engine are %100 efficient.

I know, skewbe. The idea is that it serves as a catalyst to enhance the flame spread in the combustion chamber. The idea is *not* to look at the amount of energy in the hydrogen.

Here are articles where it is being used :

Hydrogen Injection Proven in Real-World Usage
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=195

Fossil-Fuel Stopgap May Virtually Eliminate Auto Emissions
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=44

Canadian Hydrogen Energy Company Ltd
http://www.chechfi.ca/index.html

Hydrogen Injection PDF ...
http://www.chechfi.ca/pdfs/hydrogen_injection.pdf

Canadian Hydrogen Energy Company Product Brochure
http://www.chechfi.ca/pdfs/productbrochure.pdf

Now here are other reasons why it may not work for me :

1 - I don't drive a diesel. The system has been proven to work best in high compression diesel engines.

2 - I may or may not implement all of the changes. It depends on my mechanic and such.

For me, this is an experiment where I *expect* derision. However, I have done my homework, and I want to see it for myself. I have already accepted the possibility of defeat. But, at least I will have tried.



CarloSW2

[lovemysan]

I will be following your results closely

[cfg83]

lovemysan -

Originally Posted by lovemysan

I will be following your results closely

On your hot-air intake, can you tell me what your optimum IAT readings are for lean-burn? Have you been able to determine the Air/Fuel ratios you are running at? Before I attempt the inventor's sensor mods, I would like to see if I can use a more "natural lean-burn" method (the kind Saturns love).

CarloSW2

[GasSavers_rookie]

Originally Posted by skewbe

I hate to be the one to tell you this Carlos... the energy required to extract the hydrogen is greater than the energy recovered. Neither the extractor or the engine are %100 efficient.

I just read an article about a 100 mpg carburetor http://www.gofastnews.com/board/tech...lly-exist.html by David Vizard.
What he is saying is that the fuel system is already capable of better than a 100 mpg but the thermal efficiency of the engine is not.
So regardless of what we do with induction systems, fuel injection or carb, o2 sensor, aero mods, hot air intakes or anything else we will still be limited by the thermal efficiency of the machine burning the fuel,
So it?s back to the drawing board to look ate the fuel burner not the fuel supplier so ma be we need to push engine manufactures as much as oil and gas suppliers.
So wouldn't this be the same type of issue regarless of fuel type?

[cfg83]

rookie -

Originally Posted by rookie

I just read an article about a 100 mpg carburetor http://www.gofastnews.com/board/tech...lly-exist.html by David Vizard.
What he is saying is that the fuel system is already capable of better than a 100 mpg but the thermal efficiency of the engine is not.
So regardless of what we do with induction systems, fuel injection or carb, o2 sensor, aero mods, hot air intakes or anything else we will still be limited by the thermal efficiency of the machine burning the fuel,
So it?s back to the drawing board to look ate the fuel burner not the fuel supplier so ma be we need to push engine manufactures as much as oil and gas suppliers.
So wouldn't this be the same type of issue regarless of fuel type?

When you say fuel type, I assume you mean "mostly gas + a little bit of hydrogen as a catalyst". I don't really have a good answer for you.

My personal agenda in all of this is working with what I have. I have a "retrofit" mindset. That is to say, I want to try to test what can be done to make a normal ICE engine perform better. The reason I want to do this is because a new engine design will take years if not decades to "cut-in" to the existing world of vehicle drivetrains out there. If I can increase my MPG without hurting emissions, then that's a win. If I can maintain MPG and decrease emissions, then that's also a win.

I keep waiting for the next big thing in ICE engine technology, but I haven't seen one yet that ever gets out of the lab. When I look out in the world, I only see 3 types of ICE engines, gasoline, diesel, and rotary (the Mazda RX# sports car).

From your POV, from an ICE-only perspective, what engine "out there" holds hope for the best thermal efficiency?

CarloSW2

[Lug_Nut]

Use the driving techniques the hydrogen boost promoters 'require' to extract the maximum mileage out the using these reverse electrolysis water seperators and you'll get MORE mileage than using the same driving techniques WITH the device in operation.
They do thank you for your financial support of their operation.

[JanGeo]

Yeah I have been thinking about this also and would run a separate battery system to power it that can be charged on the grid or when going down hill when extra alternator output is available without burning fuel to recharge the separate battery. It is supposed to act as a fuel enhansement much like acetone - not as a energy source to replace gasoline.